Four flush draw vs human blowtorch

Stick it in and pray he folds?
Even if he calls it's not the end of the day.
We should have at least 7 live outs. sometimes 11.

Agree - shove seems good. Playing back at a maniac can have good fold equity, and we're drawing the nuts. Monotone boards look scary and he's been checked to IP, so it seems like a pretty normal bluff spot. You're really overselling the maniac read though 😀

Ship unless there's any chance you think your other villain might call the $200. He did raise UTG with the Mad Bomber in the hand, so he should have a big Ace or maybe even a set from time to time and he pads your draw.

Actually, now that I say that, with $500 effective stacks, if UTG has a brain, he's gotta know he's going to wind up all-in if he doesn't fold. Go ahead and move in now. Maybe he folds AJ.

I’m on board with going all-in here. You have equity and he will fold sometimes. I also think it’s possible he is overplaying a hand like QxJh or a pocket pair with a heart. If he ever calls with a hand like that, it’s an incredible spot.

Grunch:

PRE - raise bigger when we're OOP, especially when we're deep and our opponents don't like to fold. I'd probably make it at least $60, and might go as much as $75.

FLOP - we have 2nd pair, the NFD, and double-block combos of AK. It's kinda hard to mess this up. I think in theory we could bet really small, like $30-$35, but I don't mind checking to induce exactly the sort of thing that happened.

Not sure what V is repping here. Maybe he shows up with 2P+, but I'd think his AQ and maybe even some A6s combos would be raised pre if he's as aggro as described. So maybe we're only worried about 66 and flopped flushes for value.

This is kinda the problem with raising small pre. He could get here with some SC's that just have it, or a set, or something weird, like an offsuit combo draw, or a lower PP with a heart.

I don't see how we can fold the flop, we're not deep enough to call and fold on a later street, and we don't want to give him a chance to get away if another heart falls, so I think we should just jam.

Bigger pre, shove flop. Bink or reload. Well done on targeting this guy and following him 😉

Is there much to gain from shoving?

I should add, V2 calls a lot when played back at. His range here is big AX, all two pair, all made flushes, 1pair+Jh like QcJh, and 66.

Well it’s a fold if that’s the range

What can V2 (flat caller pre) stab with here other than a made flush or maybe something like AxJh or AQo? But from OP's description, V2 would have 3b all his AQo and even AxJh and possibly AxTh. He mainly reps a made small flush.

So by jamming we are targeting a narrow range for a fold: stuff like JhTx and other broadway gutshots with flush redraws.

Alternatively, if we call, we will have no FE on turn with pot of 560 (assuming V1 folds) and 270 behind. That said, this V will pay us if we hit because his draws and flushes are worse than ours.

It's a close decision. It's a population fold and the only reason to consider calling is the maniac factor. We have 55 invested and I'm probably looking for a better spot to gii against this kid. Cry fold.

PFR go bigger, even if only a little bit. Esp. good at this stack size.

Flop: 3x SPR, we have nut equity against almost anything (32-40% if he always has it), calling means we have like 265 left vs. a 560 pot on the turn even if V1 folds (so still mostly shrug calling every turn). Possible that a 4th heart hits on the turn and V2 folds, which is our main worst outcome IMO.
Would much rather have this hand than like AsKs or something similar, so it's not like we can fold and only call better.
Also gives some metagame pluses, even if we lose. So he'd need to always have a flush and not be aware about any metagame to consider folding IMO.
Hard to express how much value is there if he plays AJ!h this way and folds, or QJh and calls.

I probably shove without thinking too much if we can call and get V1 to call as well.

I don't see how this is ever a fold. Maybe a call with the player behind. But usually just a jam.

He can't have us beat AND have a better draw. He either has us beat but we have equity to improve, or we have him beat and he has equity to improve.

I think the fold equity of a jam is being under-valued here. Like, how many super-strong hands can he realistically have here, if he truly is a maniac, but didn't 3B pre, and instead double-flatted? I have a hard time giving him AQ or A6s that didn't 3B pre. Maybe he has 66 and we have 11 outs to make a higher set or our flush, plus the runner-runner Broadway possibilities.

But if 66 is likely the best hand he can ever have here, he could conceivably fold 66 to a jam. AQ and A6 might conceivably fold to a jam, but even if not, they seem pretty unlikely holdings here.

More likely he just has AXo or QXo with one heart. AXo might fold to a jam. QXo should definitely fold, and we lose value, but if he's taking this line with QXo, he might not fold, because he is literally just torching with this line.

His double-flat pre makes me discount that he has AQ or A6s. More likely it's some AXo or QX combo, or 66, and we're only a 2:1 dog if we jam and he calls.

We're never worse than 32% here, and often as good as 43%, assuming we're always behind. Add 10% chance that he's doing this with QX, and 10%-15% fold equity against better value, and the certainty that we're not getting paid if another heart rolls off, and this is just an easy jam.

HHs w/ V2 -

H opens AKo, V2 calls IP, 9-8-2r, x x, turn Q, x x, river 4, x V bets 2x pot, I fold, he shows A4s.

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BTN straddle 6, V opens SB to 60, nitty asian man calls UTG, everyone else folds, Flop Q-4-2, V2 bets pot, nit shoves, V2 snap calls, V2 has AA, nit has QQ. QQ hold.

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I don't see why he can't just have a naked ace. That's what the huge bet feels like - he thinks (probably correctly) that he's best now and wants to protect the hand before the board gets any worse. This is more likely than a made flush statistically, and if he has a made flush wouldn't he bet less to induce calls? If he has AT or something and calls you it's about a coinflip and like people have said there's a metagame advantage since he will know you're capable of shoving light.

idk id just cbet man

doubt he is folding from sizing lol

Yeah, this is a pretty clean rip.

You're sitting there with second pair, nut flush draw, and the Kh, which is a massive blocker on a board like this. The dude bombs 200 into 160 on a monotone A-Q-6 flop—sure, that's strong on paper, but with his profile? It’s way more likely he’s trying to deny equity or overrep a one-pair hand with a heart. His sizing is almost screaming “get out, I don’t want to see a turn.”

If he has a naked ace with a heart, we’re flipping. If he somehow flatted pre with a made flush or 66, fine, we’re still live with decent equity and fold equity on top. But he’s also doing this with JhXx, QhXx, even total torch hands that look like bluffs but have equity. Sometimes you’ll see Ah8x or Qh9x just spaz it in.

You’re never folding a hand this strong. Calling OOP sucks too — stacks are too short to realize your equity profitably, and if another heart comes off, good luck getting paid. You also don’t want to give this guy a free turn where he gets to bink some garbage and then torch again.

Also, as others said, jamming lets you rep a flush or AK with the Kh — it puts real pressure on his Qx or Ax hands that have a heart but don’t want to stack off.

Shove > call >>> fold. Simple as that.

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