KK facing donk pot/pot

Hm... title says kk
post says ak
ak easy fold even on flop.
kk I think this is ship
Villain will have some combo draws, some tx, some hands like 98 67, some t9. Maybe some sets and 78 play this way as well.
But with no reads probably just stick it in.

I had KK.

You have to fold sometimes I think. So maybe fold holding the KC?

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I was annoyed, but I folded the turn. I thought low stakes players sometimes don't play draws strongly. I also thought he might x/r a combo draw, not minding if it got checked through, and trying to put on maximum pressure. The turn bet didn't leave much left for a river shove, so didn't seem like he was trying to get a fold. Thought the large lead might be for protection on the wet board, afraid of letting 2 players see another card.

This is a pot(ish) sized donk multiway from the first to act on a wet, dynamic flop. This is a set or straight 12 times out of 10.

The people telling you to ship KK here are lighting money on fire at 1/2 and misunderstanding the heuristics of a donk HU vs multiway, and a small donk vs large donk. If this was a donk HU or for a smaller size, it could easily be a scared top pair. In which case the advice to ship KK is fine, though you've got a weak range dominated and I'd rather call to let them keep bluffing. But a donk for a PSB multiway is a much different scenario. Still scared of the cards to come, but much stronger and very unlikely to fold. Your instinct that it was for protection is correct, but you need to take into account protection from what(flush in this case).

I could see peeling with KK and then folding turn like you did, but there's a case to be made to just fold the flop if you're drawing to 2 outs at best.

Even above average 1-2 players are unbalanced with donks.
Most bad 1-2 players who are limping UTG+1 are horrifically unbalanced with a donk here, and when they are limping pre. and now putting money in... it's not unbalanced to bluffs.
Range is like 95%+ better than 1 pair, and I would be unhappy if I had T9.
Esp. when you have the Kc.

You have no visibility and likely 2 outs, Q/J or club are runner runner outs. If you can bluff V then it's probably a slightly losing call in a void, but good for metagame. Would assume, sigh and fold is the nuts.

The nut line continues, and you didn't get a K/Q/J or club.

It wound up not being super relevant but “ BTN plays kind of old guy style, but not real tight; he had limped behind with KK” is not a good read. The key insight from this observation is they are hyper passive. Maybe they’re limping wide but this is a clear OMC type.

There is no way we’re folding here with the info provided. +1 can have sets, they have straights, they can have 2 pair, but even before we get to bluffs they can absolutely have TX.

We need 32%, we have 28% against sets, T9, 87, and AT. They can also have more TX and pairs with draws. If we call there’s no real way to fold river. If we jam a ton of those hands we’re beating can’t really fold. Just rip it.

The only justification for folding here is adding more details then were provided in the post.

A super passive player donks pot into 2 other people on a wet dynamic board we don't connect with when we can easily have an overpair.

You can't have it both ways. Either we pin V as very passive in which case they are never betting pot with a draw, pair plus draw or Tx. Or they are, in which case our view of them as 'hyper passive' is wrong in the first place.

Like I said, maybe call the flop but once they bet the turn this is a fold. I think you are really overemphasizing the possibility of Tx and pair+draw that just doesn't play this way here from this V.

When someone donks multi-way, especially for a large size, even more especially on a board with lots of draw possibilities, that's very often going to be a very strong hand.

AK is a pretty easy fold here. If you had KK...I dunno, maybe not an *EASY* fold, but probably a fold just the same. He's rarely going to have worse than 2P here, and is often going to have 87.

BTN was not main villain is this hand. He came in 2nd limper and called a short stack 3! shove from JJ with KK. Not sure is he was passive or trapping. However, he was not the one who potted the flop and turn in this hand.

The main villain in this hand had to rebuy after busting out bluffing. I told him if I saw that I might have gii with him the hand I posted here. He said he had T9 for top 2-pair. The way he answered, and my not asking directly, makes me think he was telling the truth.

I am glad everyone doesn't think it was a terrible fold. On the flop, I was considering call or raise. When I put in 30, they said it was 40. If I knew it was 40, I would have considered folding as well as other options on the flop.

It's a $hlt spot with a premium starting hand. But folds like this add so much to our long term win rate. Well played.