AA vs passive player
1/3 9 handed
We just moved tables not too long ago.
Villain is MAWG, is a very passive player. Seen him around before.
HH1 this was played a couple hands earlier.
Rock straddle for 10, aggro spewfish opens to 30 in MP, Villain flat in sb, Bb squeezes to 130, spewfish folds, Villain back jam for 500 total, Bb folded. Villain said he had AK, and of course I believe him, I was thinking his range was qq/ak+ when he back jammed.
Hero is an asian guy in 30s
Actual hand
Effective stacks 650
Aggro spewfish opens for 10, Villain in mp 3bets to 30, Hero in sb picks up AA.
How big are we cold 4betting?100? 150? 200?
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150. 100 is too small when he's likely to hold nutted hands & be inelastic to size. 200 may work as well, but I'm a bit worried about pushing his limits/investment ceiling since it's an absurdly big 4bet & a massive proportion of the stacks.
How does he view us? Is he capable of nitty laydowns?
In general, I like offering poor 8:1 IO to ~setminers, so that would mean making it about $110 or so preflop.
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100 is a pot sized raise. Could go 120 but 150 seems excessive. If he calls 100 we can easily make it a 2 street game.
Maybe aggro coz I'm asian.
But not sure if he remembers me, if he does remember playing with me then he might view me as tight.
I don't think he can laydown his premiums range. But hands like TT/JJ/AQ he might lay it down to any normal 4bet.
The reason people are having problems with sizing is that the stack sizes (200BB) is awkard for this situation.
To combat the setminers, first of all you have to assume you will pay off any set on the flop. And raising to $100 in this case makes that almost a coinflip, because if you assume he's going to win your stack, he's calling $70 to win $680. So you can't make it $100 to to fight setminers. (Unless you like folding when you don't know if you're ahead or behind.)
On the other hand if he has a bigger pair he might go broke with, then that part of his range might make it profitable, assuming he'll go broke if he flops an overpair with TT+. With AK and an A flops, well that sucks.
So I think you have to just call and play poker, or you have to make it $150+.
If this was 100BB, this would all be simpler.
Spoiler
In game we 4betted to 100, V called fairly quickly.
Flop QQ4r V folds to cbet without much thoughts
Immediately after hand I feel I lost crazy amount of value preflop. V range should be premiums only, we should 4bet 150+ or even 200.
By the way he played, he probably has ak again.
If racist aggro spewtard thinks you’re an Asian gambler, then by all means play up the stereotype and raise to 200. I think you played it well.
Grunch:
How confident are you in your read of V?
You say he's "very passive", and yet here he is 3B'ing an EP open. Even if the initial raiser is aggro / spewy, a 3B from a passive V is usually going to be a pretty strong hand.
Do you think he folds KK to ANY size bet? What about QQ, or AK? What happens if we 4B less than all-in, and an A or K comes out on the flop?
Also, does V know anything about us? If so, what's his impression? Could we just be making a play if we 4B out of the SB?
I dunno, man. Maybe he sigh-calls a $100-$200 4B and then folds flop when he doesn't improve, but I think there's some likelihood that whatever hand he has won't be able to find a fold if we just jam all in now.
4B's at 1/3 are pretty rare. Especially a less than all-in 4B. I think I just stick it in, and pray he thinks we're just making a move with AK/AQ or something stupid, like JJ.
Grunch:How confident are you in your read of V? You say he's "very passive", and yet here he is 3B'ing an EP open. Even if the initial raiser is aggro / spewy, a 3B from a passive V is usually going to be a pretty strong hand.Do you think he folds KK to ANY size bet? What about QQ, or AK? What happens if we 4B less than all-in, and an A or K comes out on the flop? Also, does V
We're pretty confident he's very passive.
Jamming 650 into like 40ish pot???
V only calling KK, I think he'll fold qq/ak
If we had 300 I'd stick it in a heartbeat.