middle set vs a nit.
1-2 nlhe $400 max 5 handed
I was about 4 hours into a session where I was running really well. My image should be TAG. I only remember showing two hands up to this point. My two pair with A10 beat another players two pair of A6. And my pocket Aces beat another players pocket Jacks. players were leaving and we were getting short handed.
H UTG +1 which is also the CO with $850 stack and pocket 7s
V BB with about $300. Older white guy. He was at the table when I sat down. Has been playing tight. haven't seen him make a bluff. Haven't seen him pay a player off either. Loose passive preflop.
Pre
UTG (Loose aggressive) opens to $13
H calls with 77
folds to BB who calls.
flop ($34 after rake) 9 7 3 r
checks to H who bets $20
V raises to $40
H calls with plans to raise turn if no scare cards.
Turn ($112 after rake) J completes the rainbow.
V1 bets $60
H's action?
10 Replies
I rip it in, there is $172 in the pot and he has $187 behind. He folds A9/TT but not many if any better hands. A 8 or T river may kill action. We lose to a few hands but we're in good shape vs. his range.
Generally, slowplaying is good when villain has lots of low equity bluffs. Eg on a flop of 973r, if someone is checkraising hands like A5 with a bdfd, then calling makes sense to keep these hands in their range.
In practice however, most players tend to bluff with hands that have some equity, eg T8/56 on the same board. Against these players, it's generally better to 3b the flop, since they won't be folding much anyway. And even if they do, it's going to be a hand with some equity that you don't mind getting them off.
Another possibility (especially considering the small checkraise size) is that villain is making a "tester" bet with 9x/7x to see if you really have a hand. In that case, the best play would depend on whether you think they are capable of raise/folding a hand like top pair.
if no -> 3bet
if yes -> flat and hope they hit 2p or trips
I don't understand why we're flatting with 77 in a 5-handed game after a LAG open-raises. This seems like a clear raise-or-fold.
H calls
River ($232 after rake) I cant remember what hit must have been a blank
V bets $60 again
H thinks this is too easy of a call to make. calls
V says if you have a pair you are good. H tables his hand and V mucks.
My head was scratching over this one. What did V have? A draw? Why bluff the river with a busted straight draw? Did I play correctly by allowing the
V to keep betting? I've never seen this guy bluff before. Why did he choose this time to do so? I thought I had a tight image. With the small board and UTG checking, did V think nobody had anything? Was he tilting from being card dead for so long?
Any thoughts would be helpful. As always suggestions as to how to play better would be appreciated.
If you were that interested at the time you could have waited for him to table his hand!
I would have jammed the turn, he's ended up setting himself very cheap bluffs or indeed a cheap pair of his own. It's gone check-raise/bet/bet and you've still managed to leave a load of money on the table
I don't understand why we're flatting with 77 in a 5-handed game after a LAG open-raises. This seems like a clear raise-or-fold.
Std. 1-2 call any pair for set value mindset.
H hit a set and just about made $5, so obviously better than taking the $15 in the pot or whatever.
Postflop it's kind of annoying (not unexpected, hence set value being way overrated).
3bet flop looks very strong and I'd expect a lot of folds (and we desperately need at least another 100 to go in to make up for our set value play preflop).
Raising turn looks a lot like T8 or maybe JJ/J9. So unless V is a station it gets a pretty weird spot to raise unless V thinks you can have like T9 or JT or something, but also calling sucks with so many bad rivers.
Even river, you kind of have to shove and hope on a brick ... but it's not great and I would expect a lot of folds and the occasional suckout.
On this dry flop, there aren't much bluffs. Unless it's pure bluff with 0 equity which is very rare unless he's crazy aggro.
56, 86, 8T, TJ type semi bluffs kind of make sense.
Then his value range becomes 33/99, 97.
And no, they don't have overpairs here, they don't have A9 as well unless they're fish.
Whether it be his value range or semi bluffs, they're calling a 3bet always unless it's gigantic.
So flop 3bet to like 120$, turn shove for the remaining 170 or so.
They'll still think they have enough pot odds to call with their whole range.
As played I think we are losing a lot of value from "slowplaying" and just calling down 3streets.
Effective was only 300 and you treating it like it's 1000 effective.
You have to jam the river when he "same bets" $60 into $232. You have the nuts when Villain takes this line.
You aren't going to get called very often but I think you have the best hand here 100% of the time so not raising is a significant mistake. LAG fish will definitely make hero-calling mistakes. There is also some value in winning this hand without showdown.
PRE - In a 5-handed game, we need to be raising with a wider range. I think 77 is a pretty standard 3B here, though I suppose it might depend on UTG's stack size.
FLOP - We flopped middle set in a SRP on a very top-pair dynamic board, and action checks to us. I think we can go larger here, like full pot, or even an over-bet, to target all our opponents' 9x, 88, 7x, any over-pairs that didn't bet for some reason, and all their draws. I might make it $40, or $45 if my image is FOS or my opponents are sticky.
As played, when we bet 2/3 pot and V min-clicks it, I think we have to 3B. If V has 99, so be it. He's just getting our money.
Like, every card in the deck other than a 2 is either going to be an over-card or complete some draw. I'd like to play a two-street game and set up an easy turn jam, so probably making it $100.
Alternatively, that less than all-in 3B to 2.5x might look too strong, whereas an all-in jam right here on the flop is something we might do with some draws or strong 9x combos. He might decide to call with T8/86, 9x, and his over-pairs, if he thinks we're capable of being FOS.
That play doesn't work well if our image is TAG. It works better if our image is LAG, and we'll get credit for having more bluffs. If we're perceived as TAG, I think it's probably better to just make it $100 and pray he doesn't fold whatever BS he has that plays this way.
TURN - That J is why I'd rather 3B the flop. Now we're either way ahead or way behind, and V's way behind hands are hating that card.
As played, I don't think we're getting away from our hand. I don't want to think we're jamming to fold out 99 or JJ, but it is a possibility.
More likely, we have the best hand, but V isn't giving us credit, because our hand is under-repped and deceptively strong here. Partly because we flatted pre, partly because we didn't bet bigger or 3B the flop, partly because we're only 5-handed and the ranges are wide, partly because he's in the BB and thinks he can rep ATC here.
Yeah, I don't love how we got here, but I think I just rip it in. If we're behind a straight, we have around a 20% chance to boat up on the river. If he's got JJ or 99, it's just a cooler, because he really shouldn't have either of those hands when he just flats pre in the BB.
H callsRiver ($232 after rake) I cant remember what hit must have been a blankV bets $60 againH thinks this is too easy of a call to make. callsV says if you have a pair you are good. H tables his hand and V mucks.My head was scratching over this one. What did V have? A draw? Why bluff the river with a busted straight draw? Did I play correctly by allowing the V to keep betting
In a vacuum, when an opponent uses a bet size that is the same absolute amount they used on the previous street, it's a sign of a weak hand. Even if they double the size of their flop bet on the turn, that's usually pretty weak.
Here, it's a little weird because he min-clicked the flop, and then his turn bet is 1/2 pot on a nut-changing card, which is sort of standard by itself, but looks odd in this line. If he was x/r'ing the flop with a draw that gets there, or 99, or JJ, he'd probably bet bigger.
Yeah, I think his line here is FOS. I want to raise, even knowing he's probably folding everything. A jam doesn't accomplish much, but a min-click is kinda sexy, given that it does leave him something behind if he thinks we're folding to a jam, and he's going to feel like an a$$ folding to a min-click after the way he's played this.
Assuming he folds, just show one card. Let him sit there and stew about it, wondering if we just had 3rd pair.