KK on a paired flop

KK on a paired flop

Hey guys, this hand was played outside the US. The blinds are 5/10 in our local currency. It's the lowest limit and it's too low for some of the folks. Straddles of 25 are considered a must and re-straddles of 50 are pretty common. Some of the guys at the table regularly play 25/25 and even 50/100 games. The rake is 5%. I played microstakes online profitably around 10 years ago and started playing poker for fun recently. So I understand some concepts but still have to re-learn a lot.

PREFLOP

The average stack is around 4000. I'm on SB with KsKc with 3800.

Action before me:
- 25 straddle
- limp for 25 from MP
- 150 raise from BTN (good and reasonable player who sometimes plays 50/100 and came to the club just to hang out with some friends).

I raise to 600, then:
- BB folds
- Straddle calls
- EP-CO fold
- BTN calls

FLOP (1835 in the pot, 3200 left in my stack):
ThTd3h

I bet 1000, Straddle folds, BTN re-raises to 3200, I call.

I won't post the outcome of the hand until a little while later on to avoid resulting.

What are your thoughts?

My thought process: I believe I must bet to protect my strong but vulnerable hand. The question is about the size of the bet. Pretty much any sizeable bet ties me to the pot to such an extent that I will call any raise afterwards. So my main question is this: should I maximize my fold equity by shoving an all-in or is it better to bet smaller for value against lower pairs / overcards?

16 June 2025 at 05:06 PM
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Welcome to the forum.

My first thought is that my default action on the flop might be to check from the SB. If we're going to bet, I think we might want to take a smaller size, but I'm not sure.

I'm looking at the SPR - there's 1.8k in the pot, and only 3.2k behind. We don't need to bet large if we want to get all the money in by the river. It creates some awkwardness if we bet large and get raised, as we did here.

Then again, the board is high-paired with TT on board. I'm not sure, but I think theory says we're allowed to bet larger here. I'm not sure what the reasoning is.

V's action seems to be very polarizing. He's saying he has a T. The only bluffs that would make sense would be heart draws, unless he's capable of taking this line with air, because he thinks he'll have more Tx in his range than you do.

The raise size is odd, in that he's not putting you all in, even though you'll be pot-committed if you call.

I'm not sure how much it matters that we don't have the Kh in our hand. It allows him to have some more flush draws as bluffs, but in this line, where he's repping Tx for value and all the flush draws as bluffs, I'd think there are more than enough heart combos that he can do this with or without the Kh in his hand. I'd think AKhh might 4B pre, so he could have a lot of AXhh combos here, maybe.

If he has Tx, we're drawing dead to 2 outs. If he has a heart draw, he has around 32% equity if we jam here, not counting the aces which may make him a better 1P. I think we can probably fold, as much as I hate doing it. This would seem like a fairly under-bluffed spot, and all his best bluffs have a lot of equity.


Thanks, I like the point about making a lower bet to leave myself at least some room for folding.

At first, I thought that JJ+ and any heart-suited non-T broadway combo could play like that. But I guess that wouldn't happen too often.

The villain turned out to have ATo. I beat them on the river. But now I understand that I should've bet 700 on the flop and folded to a raise.

Here's a spinoff question: what if the villain had called my 700 flop bet and the turn came blank, say, the 2s. The pot would be 3,235 (~3,075 after rake) on the turn and I'd have 2,500 in my stack. Would there be an all-in bet in that situation?

My gut says yes since I'd still have to protect my hand from flush draws and aces. Your thoughts?


My gut says yes since I'd still have to protect my hand from flush draws and aces. Your thoughts?

We bet our hand on the flop (maybe 1/4-1/3 pot) because we likely have the best hand and lots of worse hands will call.

We don't need to "protect" our hand on the flop from someone with a hand like AhQx who is drawing to 3 outs and some backdoor draws, especially since we block potential straights. There would be even less of a need to protect our hand on the turn if a brick falls.


by carpetarsonist

Thanks, I like the point about making a lower bet to leave myself at least some room for folding.At first, I thought that JJ+ and any heart-suited non-T broadway combo could play like that. But I guess that wouldn't happen too often.The villain turned out to have ATo. I beat them on the river. But now I understand that I should've bet 700 on the flop and folded to a raise.Here'

When spr is so low money is going in no matter what.

And no you can't fold to a shove even with a 700 bet.

You have an overpair in super low spr 3bet pot, you're in no position to fold any non A flop.

You do realize we have bluffs right?
In order for me to fold flop, we need super nitty image only 3bet premiums, villain never raises anything besides the nuts.

Overpairs/tptk are like the nuts in low spr pots.
We only lose to tx, 33.


by carpetarsonist

But now I understand that I should've bet 700 on the flop and folded to a raise.

You definitely should not have folded to a raise in any situation unless the villain is a super nit. I actually like the large bet multiway since you should pick up at least one customer with a pair or draw. You're beating JJ, QQ, and heart combos which you unblock, and only losing to Tx and AA. Happily getting it in here.

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