Riv spot oop
1/3 8 handed
We only played for an hour or less.
Villain ~
Seen him involved in a few pots, where he would check/call with marginal hands then fold them face up when faced with a 2nd barrel. range was like bottom pair/ small pp/etc. So floats flop wide on flop even oop??? But this read was HU pot.
Hero might have aggro image doubling up early on, 3betting 77 and hitting on turn.
Effective stacks 550
2 limpers
Hero open in CO with K♠J♠ to 20.
V in btn calls, 3 other callers.
Pot 100
Flop K♥6♠5♦
H cbets 45, only V call in btn.
Pot 190
Turn T♣
Hero checks, V bets 65, Hero calls
Reason for not barreling turn is because he's always folding his marginal hands to turn barrel.
Bet small was small so easy call.
Pot 320
River 3♠
Hero checks, V bets 115
Hero?
snap call? snap fold?
We beat bluffs.
Don't think villain vbet worse Kx.
47 got there, 78/79 missed.
We also lose to KQ/KT
Sdv checking this river right?
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I bet turn here. Sure he may fold worse, but we're also denying equity to hands like A6.
As played. Call Turn seems reasonable.
Agreed River is tough decision. I don't think it's snap anything.
Your typical low stakes guy is not trying to 3 street bluff or 3 street value bet K9, so I think if I'm on my A game, I find an uber nitty fold, but in a game in real time, I probably make the call given price and curse myself when he shows 55 or 66.
Pretty close to a snap call for me all considered (he sounds somewhat splashy) and probably reading your turn check as significant weakness.
And he gave you a good price so only have to be good here a little over 20% of the time.
Against some players it's a pretty easy fold but he doesn't sound like one of them.
I think you made this hand tough on yourself by checking the turn. The button float sees weakness, bets to see if youÂ’ve given up. You said he folded to a 2nd barrel but then didnÂ’t give him one.
The problem is that the river smashes villainÂ’s range as he could have made a straight or 2pair and thatÂ’s why heÂ’s betting. HeÂ’s not betting K9 for value - I think I fold but it could well be a bluff
Betting a touch more pf with two limpers, but it's fine. I don't know the GTO-approved cbet sizing on K65r into 4 villains. Warring between, there's a lot of 76/KT/K9 junk that might pay off a bet versus '4 LL villains, someone's got KQ/66/65/55 etc here.' Plus, your read is V floats wide, well...make him pay for that. Lolfold to a raise, ofc. You thinned the herd ap, so yay.
Bet/f turn. There's still a bunch of straight draw trash to extract value from. I donÂ’t mind them folding to a 2nd barrel. When V calls, I guess we know they have better than bottom pair, and might have a K. If V calls, going into full bluff catch mode. How's this V with fat value, like 2P+? 65/55/56/KT? Raises? Or is one of those 'milk it' villains until river?
AP, V stabbed 1/3 turn, 1/3 river. Pot's 320 with 305 back. To me, both bets scream V is trying to milk a call from a failed ace high or draw. I think a scared King or Ten checks back with the reads you have. So this is value, and H's king isn't high enough to call, especially since Vs will also play sets this way. Even needing like only 22% to call.
It's a giant mistake if our read is wrong, mind, and that by itself is why I probably call in game, then berate myself after V flips over KT/66/55/65.
I think I like the turn check if he's calling the flop too wide and will bet the turn wide. On the flip side if he is folding the turn here a lot and plays a wide range pre, you should be double barreling him very wide. I think the river is a call based on his turn sizing - if he had say KT/sets/KQ+ he probably bets the turn larger, and I don't think he would bet say KQ OTR.
I like a bet on the turn, and now we are in a tougher spot. Has he ever shown aggression? All we beat is K9 or worse and a bluff. Is he the type to bet w/ worse or to bluff? Doesn't really sound like it, but the price is pretty good. Really a table read, but if he's never betting and always just calling or folding, this might be a sigh-fold.
Flop and turn are fine particularly given your read.
The river is a snap call, you need wayyyyyyyyy more info on villain to ever consider folding here. We need 21% equity to call. In an absolute worst case scenario in terms of villains value range they have 76 combos that beat us (KQ, KT, TT, 66, 55 , 33, 65, 74s.) which would mean they have to have 20 combos they beat. In all likelihood they don’t have all 76 combos listed above, and if they do they certainly have more than enough bluff candidates.
Overfolding in spots where you’re getting a great price because you “know” villain “never” does XYZ based on little to no data, is a recipe for disaster.