Bellagio QQ facing pro jam preflop

With 1.8k i wouldve just jammed (if i didnt notice he had the 1k chip obv)

As played sigh call, too much commited, you only need like 26% equity, pro should have some AK in his range to make this call profitable.

How in the world are we ever seeing AK here? This guy just 6bet over a cold 4bet from a rec player and our cold 5bet. And I’m guessing he knew V2 had money behind as well. We are supposed to be smoked here. If we called and were ahead then this guy is not a pro.

H has put in >40% of their stack already with an open and 5! Vpro can't possibly think H can fold to a shove, and I doubt this is AK at all. (though Vtouron probably did have that.) Vpro with 3 combos of AKs only gets us to 25.3%.

It feels nitty AF, but I agree with Vernon's point here. I'm going over the falls at 180bb with KK, but I'm folding Queens here. And probably making the 5! a shove, as joe-exotic pointed out.

Does H need to call this off for metagame reasons?

Folding here villain could be squeezing but sometimes you just gotta give it up.

Fold preflop twice.

Sigh call to the 4bet because you have position on the flop. You could also shove. I’m probably biased because the pro shoved over the 2.3x 5bet. The small 5bet was obviously a bad choice.

AP, sigh fold. Pro 3bets 5.3x in SB, then shoves over Hero’s 5bet. Pro only has KK or AA. Is OP confident in the read?

I can see why you 5bet believing the 4bet from the BB was a short stack shove. Assuming 100BB I'd probably call with position here although SB still to act.

After the next action it seems a clear fold with QQ. Not expecting to get rich with KK here.

Upon further analysis, you guys are right, movie watching pro only has KK+ maybe only AA+, fold the QQ

I am not folding QQ with those pot odds even if it is almost always KK/AA.

Messy situation. I guess the guy who made it 375 wasn't angling, as he folded, but weird leaving one 1000 chip behind.

Not sure I like the 5!, even thinking it was a short stack push.

It's dangerous to make assumptions that someone's a pro or even halfway competent player. Given the situation you set yourself up in I'm calling.

Results:

By the way, I have spent enough years in poker rooms to recognize a pro player. And by pro player, I don't mean necessarily a superstar or a crusher. Anyone who plays 40+ hrs a week, week after week, and doesn't otherwise have a job, I consider a "pro". This doesn't include retirees. Typically in my card room, they are males under the age of 40 and they play every day and grind out 10BB (maybe 15 max) per hour. At 5/5 NL that's $50-$75 per hour, not that much. So the average pro in my room is not some kind of genius. If you have high-level smarts and can work hard in a real career, you can make a lot more than that. But a pro in my eyes is an at-least-competent player who has thousands of hours of live play experience.

There was a bit of discussion between us after this hand, and I eventually revealed what I had to the table. The following hand below took place about 30 minutes later, and the players involved had all witnessed the prior hand.

Directly to my left was a old rich Chinese lady, and to her left there were the two young asian pros. The 2 recs to my right were doing some limping, and occasionally I would overlimp with a speculative hand, since I had 200BB (and most players covered me), and the 2 pros would of course often punish us limpers and I would fold. But I was still occasionally overlimping, and every once in a while we'd make it to the flop.

Fun Hand:
H limps AA in utg+1.
Rich Asian lady calls.
Pro calls.
Pro V1 from hand above makes it $120 in CO.
Rec player in BB calls $120.
H $500.
Folds back to Rec player in BB who shoves (covers H's $2000 stack).
H says "I guess I gotta fold my Queens again."
We run it twice and my aces hold up against TT.

I don't know if the rec was influenced by the prior hand. I'd like to think so. But maybe the guy wearing a $15,000 watch just has money to burn and plays like that all the time.

Folding to the $375 is prob ok, its a tight configuration and also a huge sizing from SB.

But flatting the $375 is an option.

My first reaction was that you could call QQ here with position, and it's even better with the BB all in.

FWIW GTOwiz, 9max cash 100bb ...

HJ open 2
SB raise 11
BB raise 23
HJ pure folds QQ,AQs and ~half of AKo. Shoves AA,KK,AKs and the rest of AKo.

GTO, the nittiest OMC 😉

thats assuming BB has 100BB, op thought BB was allin for 37.5 BB
in this config hj 3, sb 16, BB allin 37.5, hj shouldn't really have flats imo.

V1 - Asian 30's pro. He's playing like a pro, the dealers know him, and he's watching a movie on his phone.

Do people who play poker for a living watch movies while they play?

Also, what does it mean to "play like a pro"?

Fold to the 375

Lots of them, at least at 30 hands/hr and 2 cards/hand boredom torture game. Boredom causes tilt. Tilt causes losing.

And tbh, almost all live players aren't finding all the 4b bluffs that the solver is which makes it an even easier/better fold.

If you think the pro can have JJ or AK in his range, I think you have to call.

If you think he's only ever doing this with AA and KK, you should actually fold.

Yeesh.

Our 3x open with QQ in the HJ seems pretty standard. I don't know what to make of V1's over 5x raise from the SB. Maybe that size is just to make sure no one else gets involved. By itself, I wouldn't assume the size is a tell that strengthens his range. I'd think he could be pretty wide when he 3B's.

When it looks like V2 has 4B-jammed, and the betting is re-opened, I think our 5B to shut out V1 is fine, unless we're planning to fold if V2 comes over the top, in which case, just call. I don't play these stakes, but generally, I tend not to 4B or 5B very much when IP and playing deep, because OOP opponents tend to be somewhat shove-happy after 3B'ing or 4B'ing.

If we're planning to fold to a 6B-jam from V1, but we still want to raise, we could and probably should just min-click this to $590, though a good thinking opponent may view that as an invitation to 6B, and I'm not sure $590 isn't already close enough to our pot-commitment threshold.

Once we 5B more than 1/3 of our stack, it's pretty gross when V2 jams. I'm not sure I could get away here, even though I doubt we're good all that often, and even in those instances, I expect to be flipping vs AK a lot.