We have a combo draw oop.

I think we’re probably in decent shape but hand is going to involve a lot of guessing being a multiway limped pot. Facing a full PSB with only 1 nut out folding is probably smart. If anyone wants to play a big hand OTT or OTR we’re probably behind. Fold is the disciplined play here. And I’m a sticky pay-off monkey.

> But, if we just call and hit our flush we probably not good unless it's the 9d.

why do you think this? the odds of flush over flush are very low
And many of the better flush combos that exist would have raised instead of limped
I think you can be wary of a higher flush if the diamond comes , and one of the villains starts piling money in , but I am not worried about it right now

+1 on this.

Let's not get mubsy before we've even made our hand.

I'd say call. We are likely to be heads-up (with just one more to act). We can still bluff a Q and V not often betting pot into 6 players with a flush draw. Agree that raising would generate little fold equity against this player type (albeit a brief profile).

call and be cautious if you make a flush.

Ok we ended up calling in game
Utg calls as well.

4way to the turn
Pot 113
Turn A♦
H checks, Utg checks, V bets 30, Btn calls Hero????

call and play a river. dont go broke in a limped pot.

the front flush hits and theres still a bet and call. sometimes you are good here, sometimes not, but the bet is pretty small so the price is too good to fold.

Yup.

Just calling is way too passive on this turn, I'm raising to 125 and jamming a non diamond river
You can get a ton of value on turn from K or Q of diamonds + random 2 pairs that dont believe you

Kd/Qd aren't here unless they're KdJ/QdJ.

I also think call, it may check around on river which would be frustrating, but any serious action isn't likely to be a good thing. Don't mind the passive approach so far.

I'm fine with preflop.

I'm fine with a flop check this multiway and only having a single card draw to the nuts.

Not loving facing the large bet and call, but I think it's a little too early too fold (assuming if we hit that we're losing to Button seems a bit too pessimistic to me). I would call and then donk/fold a couple of streets if I hit.

ETA: Would have preferred a turn donk as this checks around so often multiway. Think for this turn price against an aggro donk and Button just passively calling, I'm ok with a call. Think I would then lean to a very small donk/fold on non-stoopid rivers (and probably just check/folding stoopid rivers).

ETA#2: In general, OOP multiway I think we are much better off donking when we make our hand as there is just that better a chance money goes in when we are ahead, whereas checking enables worse (but sometimes drawing) hands to check behind and meanwhile better hands always bet (so on average money goes in on the turn worse check/calling than donking, imo). HU against an aggrotard checking is probably ok.

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i think leading turn small like 1/3 pot has merit too, but you have to fold to a raise.

It's a clear call rather than a raise. Don't mind donking either. A♦ increases our equity since there are far fewer flushes now (that it's a limped pot makes the A♦ a little less relevant though). Also keep in mind our T blocks some J-K high ♦ combos.

We ended up calling again. Utg folds.

Pot 203
River 2♣
H checks V bets 80, Btn folds.
H????

What happened to MP who bet the flop?

V is MP

Ah sorry misreading, so V has gone bet-bet-bet in a limped pot? I would be inclined to think there are very few bluffs here and that there may be some worse hands (86/66 etc) which could be betting here but won't necessarily call a raise, the Ad is a good card to be out there but there are plenty of bigger flushes. Seems like you have the pot odds to call but not to raise.

It's a spot where we should consider raising, especially as V is profiled as "fishy with aggro/donk tendencies", but I'd likely just call, especially as he's bet river with two players remaining (Hero and BN). His sizing suggests he might still be over-valuing two pair or a set (hard to see him betting air, except maybe Qd9 or QdT). There are only a few worse combos of flushes, perhaps just 54dd. I mean aggro/donk means he could've bet a draw on the flop, so we can lose to better flushes some of the time.

Check call flop and turn.

Again, think we're better off making that $80 river bet ourselves because money will go in better more often than check/calling (as worse that may call will often check behind and people won't be bluffing nearly as much multiway). Not loving life but making a crying call here for this price against someone described as an aggrodonk (considering making the hero fold as played against tighter players).

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I don't agree with your conclusion here, particularly regarding sizing tells on a B100-B25-B40 line. It's just one of those BB spots in a limped pot. Ranges are wide prelop and while postflop action does narrow these ranges considerably --- it's not reasonable to narrow the aggressor's range to this extent (without knowing the result beforehand).

Meh, although I would prefer later street bet/folds, I don't think we should beat ourselves up too much here. ETA: On the river, we have to only be good about 22% of the time (admittedly feeling like a moron the rest of the time); isn't that enough against this guy?

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I think when V pots the flop we’re going to win this hand far less likely than people are thinking.