A high vs turn donk
1/3 9 handed
Villain plays nonstandard. Seen him bluff small vs 2 on river when turn was flush card and got checked thru on turn+river.
Seen him super thin value bet 5$ ip on a5tt8 with 8x when pot was like 80 already.
Seen him donk flop bvb with air.
The very last hand, v limped in ep, Hero in Co opens to 20, V call.
962r V checks H cbets 20, V acts super fake like he is about to puke fold then puke calls.
7 V tank check, H check.
9 V bets 25 H snap folds.
Effective stacks 280
Preflop Rock straddles for 5, V in utg calls, Hero in Hj with A♠T♠ opens to 25 V calls.
pot 55
Flop 2♠3♣6♣
V checks, Hero cbets 25. V calls with no acting this time.
I was planning on double barreling most turns.
pot 105
Turn 3♦
V donks 25, H????
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C-betting the flop with plans to barrel the turn seems pretty spewy unless you know the villain has a fold button, especially since the flop favors the villain.
OTOH, you've described the villain as bluffy and you hold a good bluff catcher.
I would not c-bet a low connected flop w/ just a backdoor flush draw like this
As played, against a weird villain, calling turn and would call another small river bet on a blank river
Agree with my fellow posters that flop can be a check back. Even if you are mixing checks and bets on this board, your hand feels like it's in the "danger zone" of having too much equity to bet-fold to a XR and not enough to bet-call, which makes it a good check IMO.
On the turn, it feels like he is setting his own price with a small pair or bad draw. Calling turn and evaluating river seems fine.
I would overlimp in. Also note that at this effective stack size how uncomfortable we would feel committing with Ax and yet a raise will bring commitment into play quickly.
I would probably check back or cbet smaller. If cbetting I would only be double barreling scary looking face cards / spades.
I would give up on the turn.
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looks FOS. Donkbets are generally meant to make people call with the best hand. Fish love them to 'see where they're at'. Nobody is donking a board like this that wouldnt have donked the flop for the same info. I raise here, tell him he's beat, thats what he wants to know.
Ok we ended up calling
Pot 155
River T♥
Villain bets 25, Hero???
I don't think we ever folding vs this bet when the plan was trying to bluff catch.
Now decision becomes call or raise.
You started with 280. Pot is now 180, and V has 180 back. I.e., if you raise, it's going to be a default jam.
You've top pair to go with a paired board where a straight may be possible, albeit unlikely. I don't think V calls any raise, from your reads, and it sounds like they're just button clicking.
I just call AP, because I'm a bit bamboozled by what V may have, and am not folding after I catch one of my two overs that don't complete the FD. X-ing back flop, maybe calling a 40-50% turn bet from V. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 3, 54, or 76 here.
$75/fold, he has misc smaller pairs all day
Make it 75, he probably can’t call much more than that.
check flop
raise river very small
Against this super small sizing I would do a small raise/fold to like $75 or something. I have seen 3bet river bluffs, but they are so rare they probably don't have to be worried about.
ETA: Hmmm, didn't realize we only had a PSB left, which means we kinda might be committing ourselves with a raise. Still, 3bet river bluffs are so rare I think we can make an exploitative fold to one here.
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So V is ultimately just blockbetting here. I saw someone do this with a 3 high flush when the 4th suit hit on the river, betting $10 into $500. Opponent raised to $200 which was kinda sketch but V folded face up 'to let us know' or whatever. I think calling his 25 is fine with this type of showdown value. Maybe an argument for minraising just to troll him back.
Spoiler
In game I ended up shoving, V folded.
In retrospect maybe raising smaller is better.
Maybe calling is ok as well.