1/3 3bet pot oop

We obviously want to get stacks in, preferably by the turn. The third player is irrelevant on this type of board, since either he has an ace or he doesn't. Just bet as much as you think the main villain will call. You know him better than we do.

We can probably range bet for 60. Definitely want to bet middle set with an ace out there.

Should be easy to get stacks in if someone is willing, and my standard play is to bet 1/3 pot multiway.

Of course it depends, if you think the others are aggressive and would take over the betting with an ace, it could be worth a check. If the others are stations and would call with an ace, it may be +EV to shove.

Often times I read these posts and feel like my decision would be entirely dependent on my assessment of villains. Though people try to describe the style of these players, and sometimes do a pretty good job, it’s just not the same as eyeballing them. And I might evaluate them totally differently than the poster if I was there.

I think this is an example of how difficult it is to get value out of position with a great hand.

Kinda awkwardish stacks with regards to 3betting to an amount where we'll feel comfortable stacking off preflop due to being committed with an overpair while not giving out great IO. The more competent the LAG is I might even go larger preflop.

SPR is just over 2 so we can play for stacks whenever we want. It's unlikely anyone is going to fold an Ace at this SPR. We could slowplay check the flop to let others commit themselves. Although there is a danger of an action/hand killing card rolling off (although not a lotta suited broadway left to be too concerned about). Can prolly almost do anything here and it wouldn't be horrible? Bet smalllish? Check? Might lean to a check, hope the shorty gets the rest in and is called by the other guy, then decide? Course we can't be bluffing once shorty goes in so that is something to consider when attempting to get the rest of the chips in.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hero ended up checking
They all check

Turn 3♥
Hero?

$100 to setup a reasonable river shove? Guess we could also perhaps sneaky check again to get someone to overvalue / bluff?

GcluelessNLnoobG

Just bet the flop. It's a 3bet pot on an A-high flop. If you don't manage to get stacks in vs an Ace or a draw you'll never forgive yourself (well, you shouldn't). Go small. You're not interested in anyone who doesn't have an Ace or a draw anyhow.

You've found out very little information from the check backs because a hand like AJ may well be very suspicious of your flop check and draws may just take their equity. There's still no guarantee either a weak Ace/JJ/draw is going to bet. Bet the turn now, and if the draws brick you'll then have to decide what is best, which would have been much easier if you'd just bet the flop.

At this super small SPR and OOP (where an Ace could also easily bet themselves when checked too) it's not a crime to check it, imo. Maybe the biggest argument would be letting a gutshot get there for free?

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i think you can bet up to 2/3 pot on the turn because any ace that checked back flop will be suspicious that you are bluffing or betting something like KK.

Hero bets 85, UTG folds, V calls

Pot 357
River K♥
Hero???
We have a pot size bet left.

just jam, but this is why you make it bigger on the turn, so its harder for the dude to fold river

if he has JsTs w/e good game, its not like we can fold to a raise if we bet less

I think you missed a bet on the flop and may miss out on taking his stack now. Unless he has specifically AK, villain likely folds to a pot sized bet. I still think you got to get it in at this point & see what happens though.

I think a 1/3 pot flop bet would have made it easier to get his stack. It’s an unusual line to 3bet and not follow with a cb. Surely, you are considering how to get all the money in.

A good number of the people I play with would have shoved the flop. No overthinking, hit a great hand - they shove. So, I don’t know if they would have a better chance to get the ace to call or you do as played. I have seen them get called often in a spot like this.

If it turns out you lose this hand, there was no escape. It would take a terrific read to back out of trying to get it all in this spot. I don’t think the king is a good card because it strengthens your range and may scare villain into a fold.

I don’t mind getting beat with a hand like this. I’m not playing scared with this kind of powerhouse. I smile and say ‘you can’t trust the ladies’ or something similar and move on to the next. Anyway you play it, you should win this hand.

Recap of what happened:
Effective stacks 500

Utg limps +1 limps, V opens to 15 in mp
Hero 3bets to 60 with Q♣Q♥ in bb
Utg cold calls with 200 behind.
V flats

Pot 187
Flop A♠Q♠7♣

Hero ended up checking
They all check

Turn 3♥
Hero bets 85, UTG folds, V calls

Pot 357
River K♥