1/3 Flush Draw Deep

I think it is an extremely sound strategy to avoid who you would consider the best player at the table (especially OOP, especially deep). In this case here, he is the Button and will be incentivized to play the hand. I fold the weaker suited broadway in EP at the best of times, but in this case here I do so more thanks to where he is sitting. ETA#1: Oh, so we're the HJ and not EP? ETA#2: We absolutely cannot be sitting in this seat almost directly OOP deep to the best player at the table.

I'm either/or on the flop. My guess is on this board that is supposed to miss us and with a player behind that we're supposed to check. But a cbet with equity can also get a lot of currently better hands to fold.

Gross spot facing the raise. He shouldn't really be getting too out of line with the other guy still in the hand. I doubt a good player is raising just a one pear hand that we could apply a bunch of pressure to with equity. Meanwhile it's for a big price and it will be difficult to get paid off OOP, plus we're not sure if our overs are even good here. Honestly, against this guy in this spot I would probably just let it go as we probably don't have nearly as much equity and IO as we might think. And then I would be very wary of building big pots OOP to him.

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I’d call and hope to spike a Q or J turn.

Discounting AKs and QQ+ as viallin would’ve popped pre - Villain’s range include 66-1010 or even JJ. Villain could also have A2/A6/A7…or even K6/K7K/3 spades - but you have blockers so spiking a Q or J on the turn and jam is what I’d be hoping for. if villain has a set then so be it you still have the flush draw.

Unfortunately, despite having a flush draw, this is not a good flop for us without a draw to the nuts, especially 4-handed and OOP to someone we believe is a better player than we are. Additionally, even if we hit one of our overcards we may not be good.

I would have likely checked the flop. Unfortunately, I think we have to call this raise, since the BTN could easily have a hand that might be better than ours but against which we have flush + overcard outs.

Raise more pre, esp. with the limper.

Just check flop, and it's not even close. This is the worst flush draw to be betting (doesn't interact with the board, and doesn't dominate enough).

Size is terrible, if we bet.

Probably just fold to the big raise.

Calling means pot will be ~280 with 480 effective and we'll still be OOP.

Even if one Q or J pair was good, calling 70 to spike a 12% shot of top pair isn't a great bet.

Even if you had a read that V very often has 66-TT, I'm not sure calling is good because he hits on cards we would want to bluff off one pair (or we hit). Technically if he only has those we're over 50% and can just shove ... but lol at that being the complete range.

I agree looking for a Q or J on the turn is a long shot but if OP must call the best case scenario would be to spike a Q or J imo otherwise it’s basically a fold to any bet on the turn. But we have to look at the OP’s point of view - he already made that $30 bet and now he’s faced with a raise….in that context calling wouldn’t be the end of the world here.

OP is in a really bad spot here we can all agree - villain has a lot hands that dominate him or have better draws. I really don’t mind the flop bet too much but when villain raises our flop bet it’s either fold or call but we all know flush chasing can get expensive fast…..we have all been there….lol. Most players don’t have the discipline to fold on a board like the flop….heck we’ve all experienced fish call jams with draws all the time.

if OP really wanted to play good disciplined poker then folding to a flop raise is probably the best move - if you’re in the mood to gamble then go for it.

Hero folds and says, "nice hand, sir."

Preflop was pretty standard for the table. Most hands had a straddle and raises were to 15-21 sometimes taking it down, and sometimes getting 4 to a flop like this. 3-bets pre were uncommon.

While I considered my reaction to the flop raise I went back and told myself to just check the flop, dummy. It's horrible for my range and marginal for this hand. I thought it was really close and based most of my decision on the constant availability of much better spots.

I x flop.

AP I fold flop. This might not be a good way to play poker but since we're facing aggression out of position and I can't imagine a runout I'm going to be super happy calling down other than exactly A♠ + K♠, I think I'd rather fold now.

EDIT

Let's give him a combination of nuts and draws, I get something like this, we have not great equity and have to fold many turns even if we're good:

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Board: 5♠4♠3♣
Equity Win Tie
MP2 43.17% 42.25% 0.92% { QsJs }
MP3 56.83% 55.91% 0.92% { JJ-TT, 77-33, A6s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AsJs, AsTs, KsTs, As9s, Ts9s, As8s, 9s8s, As7s, As3s, As2s }
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pre is too small and dont bet coordinated boards multiway esp if you hate getting CR'd.

Favors fold:
Wrong price, non nut draw, board favors callers range, villain is strong player, out of position, should of checked flop, more overbets possible on turn & river

Favors call:
Villain is good player on the button and could be making a move.

Had a similar hand KQ on JT2 board yesterday, was priced out, folded & watched ace land on the river, so you might see something like that, but fold is the play.

Mostly what illiterat said. The raise to 15-21 might be standard for the table, but over a limp??? I'd be going at least 25.

Check flop OOP multiway with this iffy draw and overcards which may or may not be good.

This solid player just called preflop and then raised flop into three opponents. He's not doing this with air. You can probably put yourself up against 22-77, AXss, KTss, K9ss, 87ss, 76s, maybe one or two other hands. A range which crushes you and which you won't get to fold by coming over the top (with your repped AA) so fold.

Yeah, preflop sizing is strangely small.

The 3-wheel-card-flop is a notorious wet action flop, particularly with a 2-flush. I agree the flop bet is bad.

Probably fold to the raise. Problem is he could be raising with an ace high flush draw, giving him a gutshot and nut flush draw.

Most of the comments pretty much confirm my thoughts: larger pre and check the flop.

I am not much worried about the possible CR based on reads and player types in front. BTN I am not saying is surely better than me, nor am I "scared," but my read is he is competent and I am in a terrible seat based on that alone.

@WereBeer yes, I was thinking what possible runout makes me feel good if I call here. It's exactly A♠K♠

While folding I was asking myself what I had hoped for on the flop that I'm c-betting, and it's pretty obvious I need better coordination that hits my range rather than just the obvious flush draw. A♠ is huge here to have or rep the nut flush rather than more or less a bluff catcher when an opponent holds it.