2/3 NLHE Sizing Help?
Hey all Ive recently been getting into the live scene poker, mainly played 20NL for the past 5 months or so online and have been pretty profitable.
One of the biggest things im facing playing live is it seems most pots end up going multiway and im trying to figure out the raising sizes for isolating, because it to RFI/Open in had to raise 25-30$ which is 10% of your stack and i bleed constantly, just seems like im getting too many callers should I go bigger or play bingo poker, wait to hit then bet aggressive?
Example:
9-Max UTG opens 15, LJ Calls, CO calls and I sit in SB with KQs I raise it to 100$ then BB calls UTG calls LJ folds CO calls! Flop is total miss 2d 6c Ad I pretty much give it up because I figure theres just no way somebody doesnt have an ace, BB Jams and UTG folds A7o LJ calls with pocket queens, and CO tanks/ folds lol..
Any advice would
be great..
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Treat your open as 3bets
Treat your 3bets as 4bets.
or
Treat 1/3 as a 2/5 game.
Bet/stack sizes become 'normal' again.
As for multiway pots, you should know better than that by now. Bet with your strong range/draws.
You only remember the times you miss. But when you do hit, you get rewarded sometimes for stacks.
You can't win every single pot.
Find the sweet spot to get it headsup. Ie. fish opens 15, you don't to build massive pot maybe just click it back to 30 to iso. If hand is decent click it to 50+.
Also if they have strong/decent hands they're not folding even if you shove.
Your KQ play seems fine. One thing I've noticed is in crazy games like this do a min or short buyin so you can just shove pre. It's really good value to have a shortstack
Hi, welcome to the forum. Please do not "bump" your threads. There is no need to try to stay at the top of the forum. Regulars will read down the thread list.
One difference between live and on-line low stakes poker is that people don't tend to fold pre-flop to a 3bet. Some of this is due to the fact that they had to take time to get to the poker room and they didn't come all that distance to fold. Many flops are going to be multi-way than heads up live.
There's a lot of leaks as evidenced in your hand example. Putting in 30-40% of your stack in a hand and folding if you miss is -EV.
One of the biggest things im facing playing live is it seems most pots end up going multiway and im trying to figure out the raising sizes for isolating,
At some tables, it won't be practical to routinely RFI to a large enough amount to get it HU. Consequently, unless you want to make your raise size amount dependent on your hand (and risk giving off sizing tells), you need to either:
1. Tighten-up your raising range, or
2. Stick with a more reasonable x3-x5 size and learn how to play multiway pots.
You have to lose your fear and get better at multiway play. Most players are playing more straight forward and are easier to read multiway. Itβs not as mechanical as online, learn to love focusing on the people.
But what youβre describing is not a typical game, though I play in something similar from time to time. I would fold KQ OOP in that game. What are you trying to accomplish with that raise? Youβre not willing to play for stacks. Itβs not just about winning more, itβs also about losing less. Your plan should consider all streets.
I think people trying to play well have a hard time discarding good hands pre-flop in the name of theory. But the situation is more important than the hand. Itβs not about playing every playable hand well, but about knowing which playable hand is not worth it this time.
When players are inelastic in their play itβs a goldmine, but requires exploitative play. Play strong hands in position only. In an action game, nit up, because you only have to take down a couple of pots to win significantly.
Enjoy your journey
First of all, 3betting this hand from OOP vs. an UTG raise w/ multiple callers is not a great idea.
In live poker, you really need a good read on your opponents or at least know how to size them up quickly and adjust. I do recommend bigger raise sizes pre as a pure exploit once you are more comfortable in a live setting.
I usually play raise or fold in the SB, and I’m never raising with KQs. If the BB is passive, I don’t hate calling and proceeding cautiously with KQs.
Don’t go crazy isolating light though. KQs is fine but if they’re never folding, you’re just building a huge pot OOP with marginal equity.
One of the biggest things im facing playing live is it seems most pots end up going multiway and im trying to figure out the raising sizes for isolating, because it to RFI/Open in had to raise 25-30$ which is 10% of your stack and i bleed constantly, just seems like im getting too many callers should I go bigger or play bingo poker, wait to hit then bet aggressive?Example:9-Max
If you're sitting with a smallish stack size where any raise (either being made or facing) is a hugenormous 10% of your stack, then you should literally only be playing premiums in these spots. And "isolating" is rarely a thing at a lot of LLSNL tables, at least with a raise... which is why I find the limp/reraise method quite useful (a 3bet can isolate, and even if it just takes the pot down that pot is often quite decent).
The HH hand is totally dependent on stacks, imo. At my shortstacking $200 stack in my 1/3 NL game, I don't mind the squeeze against a loose opener with some loose callers (with one more caller I might even shove). But at deeper stacks / tighter opener / tighter callers, I might just call as KQs plays decent multiway.
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if people are sticky then dont 3b light esp OOP.
im not sure this qualifies as light as KQs is a great hand, but based on this action your pf play is probably an error.