Deepstacks home game

Seems like an excellent fold. When he bets close to pot on this wet board, it is unlikely he is bluffing. You are crushed by AA/KK/TT/AK/AQ.

I think we need to fold to the 3b.

I like the raise pre. I think in theory fold to 3 bet is definitely best unless he's just a massive fish who will stack off with almost 100% of his 3 betting range regardless of flop/run out.

I like the flop fold as played. It's not like you are getting paid often if you hit the straight.

With the diamonds out there and no backdoor flush I think it's a super easy fold on flop but I think it's still a fold with rainbow flop + backdoor flush draw.

I'm assuming he showed you 99-88 or complete garbage hence the thread, don't worry about it.

No I was thinking, if flop was a fold, preflop was probably a fold as well. But then again it's deepstacks, maybe there are merits to calling. Best thing that can happen is probably something like board comes out 9Txss, but at the end of the day we have a draw.

Maybe pp is way better than QJs vs villain's range in terms of calling preflop 3bets.

Then I also wonder maybe there are merits in limp/calling or limp/folding this hand in such game(loose fishy).

Then I get into thinking many people play this type of hand with shorter stacks(500) in opening then calling 3bets out of position. Aggro guys might even get it in on flop with such "short" stacks.

Then I also wonder, what kind of different preflop ranges I need to play with deeper stacks. I'm too used to playing shorter stacks 300-500. It's like a new game to me.

Vs 25 open raise, with deepstacks(1500), what are calling range, 3betting range? In position and out of position
vs 50 open raise, with deepstacks(1500), what are calling range, 3betting range? In position and out of position
What's our limping range? all suited playable hands?
What's our iso range vs limpers?

I mean I sticked with my usual "tighter" ranges in game, but I think I need to loosen up a bit more in such game.

What do you mean by all suited playable hands? Don't get too loose or soon you will find yourself playing as bad as them.

It's 10 handed so just open folding QJ suited definitely won't be bad in theory. I prefer the raise in a game that isn't heavy on 3 bets which you said.

Personally I'm never gonna be the first one in to limp. (Ill limp behind sometimes) I even prefer just a 3x raise to limping as some people don't like to 3 bet without a monster.

You're asking so many broad questions it's impossible to answer. If you have a lag behind you in position your iso range vs limpers has to tighten up considerably.

I'll limp behind in fishy games because I don't want to bloat the pot and want to keep SPR high where you can take advantage of their post flop mistakes.

What you can profitably play is heavily dependent on just how horrible they are. Will they stack off with top pair weak kicker 300 big blinds deep? Now you can play a ton of hands if that's the case. If they are more decent post flop don't open your range too much.

And yeah a PP is certainly a more straightforward playing hand as you either flop a set or you don't. Makes for fairly simple post flop play.

I think preflop is close but a fold. Stack sizes are sort of OK to make this call, but the deciding factor should be your massive positional disadvantage. When you call, you are out of absolute position and if anyone else calls you’re out of relative position too. And you mentioned that one of the callers is a short stack, which also means there’s a chance he could back-jam and that’s really bad for your hand.

It's probably not terribly -EV to call, but I would definitely fold preflop. It's just like, man, live poker is so full of profitable and easier spots, there's just no reason to play big pots out of position with probably slightly weaker ranges. In the best case, it means grinding out a tiny amount of extra EV at the cost of a lot more variance.

Also at 400BB+ stacks I feel like any two suited cards without an ace should probably be considered to have RIO because if you ever run into a larger flush, it'll be so expensive.