AQo With Mixed Reads
Very first hand of a new 2-3 table. V is MAWG, bald, with a big beard wearing a mechanic’s uniform. He bought in the minimum 300.
Hero in mp with AQo
Pre: UTG limps, Hero 15. Villain already had a red chip close to the felt ready to call before it’s his turn, brings it back and pushes his 3 red stacks totaling 300 in. Folds back to hero.
As soon as hero doesn’t snap he says “let’s see how good your 15 dollar hand is”. As a few seconds go by he says “I got a good a*s hand”
Thoughts?
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LOL. I really want to call, but folding is smart until you learn more unless you just feel like gambling.
(I saw a guy sit down, raise his first hand then call a 5-bet shove w/ T6 off, so who knows what people are thinking!)
Yeah I would fold here unless I knew a lot more about the Villain. It’s such a big shove. If he is really spewing, you will find out soon enough and should have plenty of other opportunities to get his money.
My default would be to just fold. Some players will plan to limp in with monsters and yet change that plan once someone raises. Obviously I could change that default once my read improves (so I'd attempt to get him to show his hand afterwards, finding "lol, *table tap*, nice bluff, sir" often works, or perhaps "geez, I only had a $15 hand, what does a $300 hand look like?" here).
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I think the table talk is really strong. He waits a second to make sure you don't have aces or kings, then gets really confident that his hand is ahead. I wouldn't be shocked if you were chopping or flipping, but idk that you have to gamble here.
If this were an online hand I might flick it in though, haha. When a player goes crazy on their first hand, it's usually a good sign.
Isn't this like AA/KK in live games a lot? Seems like a very easy fold - if he is getting crazy you'll have plenty of other opportunities
Hero 15. Villain already had a red chip close to the felt ready to call before it’s his turn, brings it back and pushes his 3 red stacks totaling 300 in.
I thought this is obvious tell. Feinting weakness with super strong hand (AK+/QQ+)
This is a snap fold even without all the acting. Unless you've seen him 3bet shoving trash.
I’ve seen players get their stack in as a bluff on the first hand, but it took a few streets. Your villain is not interested in collecting dead money.
With only $15 invested and bottom of range, it’s an easy fold.
He wants to show you his hand. Whatever he shows, tell him what a great play he made. This guy is probably good for a few big mistakes later, just need to be patient.
That's how I read it:
Villain already had a red chip close to the felt ready to call before it’s his turn, brings it back and pushes his 3 red stacks totaling 300 in.
"I have a pretty bad hand...oh no you raised and ruined my plan! Well, may as well go all in with my bad hand, please don't spoil everything by calling!"
That's how I read it:
Villain already had a red chip close to the felt ready to call before it’s his turn, brings it back and pushes his 3 red stacks totaling 300 in.
"I have a pretty bad hand...oh no you raised and ruined my plan! Well, may as well go all in with my bad hand, please don't spoil everything by calling!"
Many recs like limp/3betting, he was planning to limp until op raised so he wakes up with a hand all of a sudden.
Most recs love calling to see a flop, many are passive by nature. What are the odds of a random rec fish is a maniac 3bet shipping ATC?
Seems like a standard fold regardless of any tells, angles or speeches.
Result: Hero folds, V shows 83s. Lol.
This is really too read dependent to make a call. Against most players this is obv a shrug fold and onto the next hand. Being the first hand you can't really blame yourself over information you didn't have yet.
I was honestly thinking his strong hand speech = weak hand, but I wasn't brave enough to say it.
I don't think the tells outweigh our skill edge, and would rather get our money in with a better hand. I hate gambling for stacks pre.
Had a similar one a few weeks ago - my AhKh vs his A9o for $350 all in pre. I flopped the nuts on 9h8h2h. Thought I was home free until it went 8, 9, and he scooped with his runner runner full house.
Don't think I've ever been closer to vomiting on the table.
Which means you had 63.5% equity, so calling is about +53$ EV (+38 rather than -15). So it's not even that big of a deal. And if he has AA, call is about -240 EV. There's no way you could be confident enough to make the call based on strong hand statements, which are famously hard to interpret.
I haven’t read responses but I fold. In my home game, I always call mechanic my friend, but in a cardroom I’m not flipping over 15 dollars.
Which means you had 63.5% equity, so calling is about +53$ EV (+38 rather than -15). So it's not even that big of a deal. And if he has AA, call is about -240 EV. There's no way you could be confident enough to make the call based on strong hand statements, which are famously hard to interpret.
Even the biggest fish usually don’t jam aces and probably kings. In game it felt like AK. I don’t mind donking off 100bb I just wanted to get it right.
