2-5 hand

Limping in raked games is rarely going to be best, and A7s is more than strong enough to be raising in the CO over limpers.

If we’re only calling river when we make a flush, we’re not getting the right odds to call turn. We either need to fold turn or call River.

Raise pre. I fold turn because I'm bad at poker.

I guess I call the river now I'm here though, villain could have some AA or another one pair hand/QTs and maybe a bluff or two.

I guess you called and they showed you QQ or TT.

Well actually, while I’m not getting the direct pot odds if all I win is the current pot. If I get the rest of his stack on a club I am getting the profitable implied odds.

I guess the main reason I posted this hand is to see if anyone would fold the river given the runout. I feel like it’s a bit of a crying call given the pot odds and the strength of the hand and hope villain is doing this with a missed flush draw or 2 pair or in rare occasions trips 7s with a worse kicker.

I will give a hint, the villain did have a missed flush draw.

Fold pre the second time. Shove flop.

I don’t get what you mean by fold pre the second time.

I do wonder if villain would have called my all in on the flop.

It means "fold to the raise."

Everything flows from the flop IMO.

wtf does he value bomb 125% pot with HU OOP.

Maybe the 3 combos. of TT? And the one combo. of 77. Praying you have a good Q and/or a good draw?

QQ seems bad, unless he knows exactly what you have.

On a super wet board AA/KK seem very unlikely, unless he's terrible.

On the other side KcJc/Jc9c/9c8c all seem very likely (he's probably happy to get it in on the flop, and also happy for folds).

Then sizes down when one of the straights gets there, but shoves river board pair. Maybe KJ does this assuming you never have better, but it doesn't really make sense.

Thank you for replying.

I’m going to be honest, reading your post I don’t think I have a completely clear idea of what you are trying to communicate.

For this part below. Are you trying to say you think he is bluffing because if he had QQ he wouldn’t be doing it? If he had KK or AA he is bad if he is doing it? Then he only has a few other combos for flopped sets?

“wtf does he value bomb 125% pot with HU OOP.

Maybe the 3 combos. of TT? And the one combo. of 77. Praying you have a good Q and/or a good draw?

QQ seems bad, unless he knows exactly what you have.

On a super wet board AA/KK seem very unlikely, unless he's terrible.”

“Then sizes down when one of the straights gets there, but shoves river board pair. Maybe KJ does this assuming you never have better, but it doesn't really make sense.”

I called the river bet. He ended up having Jc8c. I was way out in front of him on the flop. He got very lucky to hit his gutshot on the turn and fortunate that the flush didn’t hit on the river. He was also very lucky the river was a 7. He only had 6 cards in the deck that could have gotten me to pay off his river bet. A or a 7 or the 9c.

if you arent going to raise this pre yourself than you have to fold pf to this raise because you arent going to hit enough flops to make it worthwhile and this hand needs to realize full equity, which means being aggro in position so you can control the hand.

More that when the flop is Q♣10♣7♠ and you have A♣7♣ there are 3 combos. of flush+straight draw hands KcJc/Jc9c/9c8c and then K9/J8/96/86 for flush+gutter hands, so even though you block NFD hands there are going to be a lot of draw hands in his range for good flop hands and he's likely to want to put a bunch of money in with them.

Like even if he plays this way with only sets and combo. draws you are basically flipping:

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 P...
Holdem, Generic syntax
Board - QcTc7s
PLAYER_1 Ac7c
PLAYER_2 QQ,TT,77,KcJc,Jc9c,9c8c,Kc9c,Jc8c,9c6c,8c6c
13860 trials (exhaustive)

All-in Equity
[table=head]|Equity %|Wins Hi %|Ties Hi %|Wins Hi Count|Ties Hi Count|
Ac7c|48.7229%|48.7013%|0.0433%|6750|6|
QQ,TT,77,KcJc,Jc9c,9...|51.2771%|51.2554%|0.0433%|7104|6|
[/table]

...then if you take into account that people don't usually play KK/QQ this way HU (overbet flop), you are very likely to have the best hand.

Then, because ranges don't get bigger, if you compare against that range on the full runout he has to not bluff a lot of hands on the river for a call to be bad.

He would’ve. Maybe not happily, never mind correctly, but he would’ve.

Maybe he folds pf if you make it 30. It’s a semi-cooler, but that’s an ugly enough turn card for a grit your teeth fold.

+1

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ISO to $30 or maybe $35 if the first limper is limping a weak range. ISO is also a good preflop strategy if 1 and/or both are medium bad to really horrible postflop. Definitely do not ISO raise this weak suited Ax if the first limper has a tight open-limping range. If it's not a good preflop setup for us (weak limping ranges and/or, weak low-skill limper Villains), then we should just fold behind the 2 limpers.

Given that Hero overlimped in the CO, it's close on whether Hero should continue as a limp-caller versus SB $30 ISO after the 2 limpers folded hero is getting decent pot odds with a garbage suited Ace. It basically comes down to the skill edge. Does Hero have a big enough of a skill edge here to want to take a garbage suited Ace to the flop IN POSITION against the SB PFR in the hopes of outplaying the SB with medium SPR behind? (not shallow or deep SPR)

If Hero doesn't have a skill edge over SB, then Hero should just throw the garbage suited Ax into the muck and move onto the next hand versus this $30 SB raise.

Grunch:

PRE - I'd mostly be playing raise or fold, though I don't hate the over-limp with AXs. I think facing the raise from SB, it's close between call or fold, but it's probably more of a fold, when we'll be heads up post flop, and should expect the SB to c-bet at a high frequency.

FLOP - I'd be concerned when SB comes out and over-bets the flop. I'd expect a big turn barrel on any brick. I don't think we can fold just yet, but I'm not liking this situation.

TURN - this is a close one. Whether or not we're getting the right implied odds to continue really depends on if we think V is going to pay off when we make our hand. It's hard to rationalize folding now, to this bet size, after we called the flop over-bet.

RIVER - yeesh. Tough spot to find a fold when we run into trips blut block some AA and AK combos that might play this way. I think we have to call, but we're not fist pumping.

Sounds like you lost to KJcc.

I actually lost to Jc8c.

I was way ahead on the flop with a pair and nut flush draw.

He got very lucky hitting his gutshot on the turn and lucky I tripped up on the river without hitting the nut flush. There were only 6 cards in the deck where I would have called his all in without winning the hand. A or 7 or 9c.