1/3 Deep w/ Large Straddle
Villain 1 (1200) is loose passive pre and on the flop, but appears to run when money gets big and he doesn't have much. Have seen him pay off for a few hundred with weak hands, but not for much more.
Villain 2 (1800) is tight aggressive pre and post. Don't remember too much about the guy. Seems to play pretty snug and wait for big hands.
Villain 3 (450) is a spew station. Calls way too much pre, post, whenever. Dumping buyins.
Hero (1900) has hit some big hands and gotten paid off. Against villain 3 flopped a flush vs. a straight and got paid off for about 600.
Villain 1 straddles for 50. Villain 2 raises to 150. Hero has JJ and calls to keep in bad players. Villain 3 and 1 call.
Flop 245r (600)
Villain 1 checks. Villain 2 bets 300. Hero raises to 750. Villain 3 goes allin for less. Villain 2 shoves. I don't see how I fold with AK, maybe AQ could play the same way. My hand is also fairly underrepped.
My thoughts preflop are basically to keep in the weaker players. Villain 2 seems strong here, but then again it's basically a smallish big blind, low SPR situation once we hit the flop. I raise flop to push out crappy hands from bad villains. I'm fairly strong but still vulnerable. Once Villain 2 shoves, I'm getting like 3-1 so I don't see how I fold ever. It just feels gross for this dollar amount at a 1/3 game. I'm debating the merits of 3-betting pre to like 400, which I don't like with spew stations behind. Or just calling flop, maybe turn, but not committing my whole stack. I still am sucking at live, so despite the fact that it's like a 3 SPR pot and basically 36 big blinds it's still a few grand out there. How much should I be tightening up in these scenarios? Or is my play completely fine? I suck at these deep situations, although this isn't really deep per se. It's just large stacks but small relative to the blinds.
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I don't think AK/AQ bet/3-bet jams this flop. He made it $150 preflop at a 1/3 table. He has a huge hand.
Are we bluffing? If we’re trying to push out QQ and KK I think we need to jam so they don’t jam on us. AA isn’t folding.
Our hand is 38 straddles effective. Which is shortstack. Overpairs in shortstack game is like the nuts.
We have the dream flop. Even if we lose it's a cooler.
Not sure about the flop raise though.
I'd have preferred to 4B small pre, like 2.2x. As played we don't have anywhere near enough information to range anyone, so we're just guessing.
This is not the guy you want to turn JJ into a bluff against: Villain 2 (1800) is tight aggressive pre and post. Don't remember too much about the guy. Seems to play pretty snug and wait for big hands.
It may be an expensive game, but it is not deep. SPR is 3 on the flop. There was no point to raising on the flop unless you were going to shove to a raise. If not, you shouldn't have raised.
Pre: JJ isn’t that big of a hand here. Thin spot, imo (assuming the 15x straddle isn’t happening every hand).
Pre: Would prefer to flat AA/KK to keep the weaker players in, JJ is going to flop underpairs so often. I like a small 3b/f versus villain (around $350).
As played: I fold OTF. V2 reps QQ+ (he bets into 3 people).
Pre: JJ isn’t that big of a hand here. Thin spot, imo (assuming the 15x straddle isn’t happening every hand).
Pre: Would prefer to flat AA/KK to keep the weaker players in, JJ is going to flop underpairs so often. I like a small 3b/f versus villain (around $350).
As played: I fold OTF. V2 reps QQ+ (he bets into 3 people).
OP you don't give any positions but I assume V2 is in EP/MP, Hero in MP/LP, V3 in LP and V1 in the blinds.
Game dynamic is important. A 1/3 with an occasional 50 straddle is very different to a 25/50 where you'd trivially get the money in. If everyone is straddling this big then it's a different matter, but a player described as snug isn't suddenly going to loosen up when there's a massive straddle on (given stack sizes it's probably fair to assume that there's a lot of straddling going on, but OP really needs to clarify this)
If huge straddles are rare then preflop decision probably depends on position - if the original raiser (snug) is in EP and you're in MP then folding wouldn't be outrageous - you could also 3bet to 400 or so and fold to a jam. Calling "to keep bad players in" is rarely a good strategy and certainly not with JJ, you could call from CO or button.
Raising flop seems a pretty big overplay unless the game is wild.
