V wrecked me all night - line checks !
V wrecked me all night - line checks !

V wrecked me all night - line checks !

This woman wrecked me all night and put me into difficult spots throughout the session. Sorry in advance if the thread gets a tad long.

V - mid 50s white woman, a little heavy set, has wireless Beats on, looks familiar but I know I don't have a ton of history with. As the game progresses I am informed she is a dealer in another localish room.

HH #1 - Table is 5 handed and brand new, V2 in this hand is the worst poker player I have ever seen and will not be making an appearance in the thread again. V makes it 10 pf, only V2 calls. Flop is AQ5r V2 donks, V raises, V2 calls, turn J x , b, c, river 5 V2 x, calls an all in and loses to V's A6o.....I guess ok with it being so shorted handed.

HH#2 - Much later in the session this hand plays out.

V has about 700, and on a K9hQJhTh runout (pot maybe 60 bucks by the river).

Random V bets 10, another V raises to 20, she (main V) makes it 80, OR jams for 350 effective, f, call. V called 350 with just a naked AX no heart, and lost to a flush from OR...

OTTHs

#1
H has effective stack with 400 and raises to 12 with JTcc on Button, only V calls

Flop (25ish)
Qc4c4h

V bets 25, H calls?

Turn (50ish)
Qc4c4hJd

V bets 40, H calls? (130ish)

River (130ish)
Qc4c4hJdTd

V bets 100, and I fold - In hindsight inflection point is on the flop, most likely should be folding but maybe mixing in some raises?

#2
H is effective with 300

V has raised prob 3 out of the last 4 hands. V in LP raises to 15, H makes it 50 on Button with AJdd, all folds, V jams, H?

#3
V is effective stack 450 H (750) has button straddle with JJ, once again V opens to 20 in MP, I elect to raise to 60, all others fold, V shoves it in my face again. H?

FWIW she also did one other 4b jam pre during this 5 hour session, it happened after the other two. It got through (no one called), and she flipped over pocket queens.

31 August 2025 at 05:13 PM
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The post needs more HHs.


H1 Her pot-sized donk isn't a thing on this flop BB vs BU as you have the equity advantage on this board. When she keeps betting turn and river with largish bets on a runout that mostly favors you range, I would think she is imbalanced to stronger hands (namely 4x) rather than bluffs. Regardless, you have a lot better hands to call than this.

H2 I wouldn't 3B this on the button for precisely this reason. Her range would have to be pretty wild to call.

H3 This is kind of borderline, but I would call personally. We're getting 1.3:1 and we're exactly breakeven vs TT+, AK. Throw in 99+ and AQs and we're already at 48% equity.


#3 depends somewhat on what you did in #2. FWIW a good disciplined fold in #2 is OK even against this LAGgy/borderline wild player, but that would give you the green light to call #3.

#1: Is this 1/2 or 1/3? Not that it matters much. Agree flop is main inflection point, and yes against a pot sized donk with Jack-high and a non-nut draw calling is probably the worst option. Folding is boring with good equity against such a loose player but the huge donk does let you off the hook and mostly folding feels best, as you say mixing in some raises would be good as well.


Hm...
V seems like she doesn't have a fold button and is hyper aggro.
Hand 1 seems ok.
Hand 2 we probably shouldn't 3bet her too light since she was cold 4betting/calling jams w/Ax. Our range probably 99+/AQ+ and snap off all 4bets.
As played we probably snap it off.
Hand 3 If we won or lost in hand 2, but she showed some bs, this might be a fold. This hand is a bit different than hand2 since it's a bit deeper. On the surface it looks the same, but I don't think V is crazy enough to 4bet shove every single time with random bs. She 4bet shove the 2nd time, normally the 2nd time they have it.
Calling is fine if you're tired of her BS. But this might be what she was thinking when she shoved especially it's a deeper effective stacks now.

On the surface, V is crazy aggro and fishy. Which is true to an extent. But we still need to play cautiously not get into the zone, oh, she's crazy just ship it or whatever. Some villians are aware of the image they've created.

Alot of the maniacs I've played with are aware of the their crazy image. They all eventually slows down a lot once they think everybody is tired of their ****. Occasionally they show a bluff again to keep their image up.

Of course they still have huge leaks. It's up to us on how to exploit.


Hand 1 the pot size is wrong on the turn and river. Fold river.

Hand 2 fold, hand 3 call.


1. fold on flop
I would think a pot-sized donk was trying to get me to fold, but I would want a better draw to continue.

2. fold
I’m ok with your play here, but I’m not impressed with AJ under pressure. Can’t imagine her jamming AT.

3. fold
She might do this with TT or you could have a flip against AK, but the price is too much. I think you just ran into some hands confirmed by the FWIW. I might watch myself call in this situation, but I don’t think it’s the wise decision.


1 is played fine but man jam river looks tempting. probably bad given the history hand (am somewhat worried she just b/c qx lol) but looks appealing to me. never fold flop with your hand

2 fold but idk i could be talked into calling

3 call obviously


Hand 1 I’m prob folding flop vs that sizing, Hand 2 just a sigh fold pre after the jam, Hand 3 JJ feels gross but with history I’m folding too.


I would fold to the 2 preflop shoves. Maybe she knows you are 3-betting a normal range, but most people at 1/2 and 1/3 are 3-betting KK+ or QQ+/AK or something like that. So I would give credit to a 4! shove. Given the way she seemed to be playing, I would probably call the 2nd shove with QQ.


This may be a gross over-simplification, but if the pattern is that she likes to 4B jam when you 3B her, then stop 3B'ing her with any hand that doesn't want to call off a 4B jam.

Like, we don't really NEED to 3B AJs or JJ on the BTN. We have position on her, and can just call. It's good to have some strong hands in our range going to the flop.

Likewise, based on the single hand history where she donked the flop and continued to barrel, using large sizes, we might infer that she's over-playing value or willing to commit to her bluffs. The adjustment is to over-fold unless we have a hand that wants to play for stacks.

I wouldn't necessarily try to play back at her unless and until we actually have a strong hand or a monster draw.

Also, despite the wide-spread hatred for multi-way pots, they do tend to tamp down on aggro opponents' aggression, so I'd feel better flatting her pre-flop raises, and letting some other players get involved. It will be harder for her to run over the table when more pots are being contested multi-way.

Keep in mind that while it's tempting to think she can't always have a hand, it's possible she's just been catching a lot of good cards, and / or that she's studied enough to know when she can push small edges. And maybe she's just that much better than us, and we should try to avoid getting entangled with her.


by submersible m

1 is played fine but man jam river looks tempting. probably bad given the history hand (am somewhat worried she just b/c qx lol) but looks appealing to me. never fold flop with your hand

2 fold but idk i could be talked into calling

3 call obviously

expanding on raising river hand 1 though no one cares. i think her line is more likely to be Qx than 4x because a) dealers are the worst poker players lol and b) no one actually does this with a great hand otf. i think its fine to have no raising range pre river when she does this, and at least from a range perspective we have k9cc, 98cc, AKcc, some amount of other AK, QQ / a bunch of 4x / 44 / J4 / T4 / Q4, and JJ. would think if she has Qx more likely to call the river with QJ / QT esp QT because when fish improve otr they dont fold, so while our blockers don't really block boats, i dont think theyre hopelessly irrelevant. also probably she doesn't bluff if she has Jc / Tc in her hand as they have sdv. i think you also dont want to have Ac to bluff vs her as idk its at least a plausible bluff combo she could have (my guess would be this line is devoid of bluffs and its just Qx and other sdv type hands that dont make sense to bloat pot like this with). i dont really see any other hands that make sense to me to bluff with since id be pretty happy calling with any Qx otr. so id probably go for it here because life is short but cannot fault u for folding. would also be very dependent on exact sizings in the hand and making sure she has enough behind to fold. solver thinks call river v v slightly losing like 2$ here, and raise is -15$ but i believe this will work much better in practice

cant fold flop though, solver says its worth ~15$ to call


Why fold Hand 1? This is Qx a ton and we have a draw that beats it. Unfortunately, our two pair loses to Qx because of this rule that still, I think..., so we must fold.

Hand 2 and 3 are both folds.


Results

Hand #1 - I folded

Hand # 2 - I folded, no reveal

Hand # 3 - I folded ( I think at best I am flipping with AQ/AK there, but I do think this is pretty close)

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