Middle set oop

I don’t think these people are going to bet your hand for you. Bet $200

Yes, they tell you to play J9 & someone could have it, but they don’t seem like the type to raise if they do. They could have AQ, A7, QJ, 56 and lots of others that call behind and the board can pair for you on the river.

Beautiful spot to check and look weak. V1 has a Q at least given description and will bet his hand on a draw heavy card. Check all day. (I do like leading on the Flop though.)

Against two players with ATC given preflop action, flop bet is good even on the rainbow board.

Prefer to keep betting on the turn. Flop bet has compressed them to straight draws, combo draws and Qx. Yes J9 has hit and will raise. We would likely have IO to boat up and get paid to call.

I respectfully would argue that x'g is too passive and lets them draw for free. What non-board pairing river do we want to see here? I'd bet something like 120.

Think I'd prefer to whittle the field a bit by raising pre. Always a mine field when there are this many people seeing a flop.

On the flop, I think I'd just come out and pot it, to clean up maximum equity. At this stack depth, some wing nut is going to call a smaller bet with all his draws, playing implied odds.

I don't think either betting again or checking to induce would be much better or worse than the alternative. If someone gets here with a straight, we still have a roughly 22% chance to improve.

The fact that it was so multi-way and a limped pot would likely push me in favor of slowing down and checking. If V1 has a straight, he'll probably bet it. If V2 has 2P+ and action checks to him, he'll probably bet. The action and bet sizing should tell us something about their holding.

I don't hate betting, rather than giving up a free card. We'll just be guessing about what to do if we get called and we don't make the effective nuts on the river.

If we do bet, I think we can bet on the smaller side. If we get raised, we'll need to consider the raise size. If it's smaller, we'll have to call. If it's huge, we can probably safely fold.

I don't think a Q is necessarily going to bet into all of this traffic. Nobody has established that they want to drive the action except you. Size up and call a shove.

Keep betting. I go about $150. If they raise, we have a decision to make, but I don't think you can fold.

Thanks for posting this hand, OP. It's interesting as a hand-reading exercise.

My general heuristic for turn bet sizing is to size down when the turn changes the nuts, and size up when it doesn't. The T changes the nuts, so I wouldn't bet big, if I even bet.

Here, the effect is magnified because we led out into six opponents in a limped pot, with no straight possible, capping our range at 2P and sets, opening the door for our opponents to bluff if we check.

A big bet here can only get called by better hands and draws to a better hand. And it's super-hard to find many, if any hands that get here this way and want to raise as a bluff if we barrel for a small size. They could have tons of worse hands that want to bet if we check.

In their spot, if I didn't have J9, 96, or TT, I'd have at least QX, either with a good kicker (AQ or KQ that limped in?), or some BDSD potential, like QJ, QT, or Q9, or I'd be sandbagging with Q8 (which we heavily block) or Q7.

Looking at all those hands - QT is now top 2P, and QJ / Q9 picked up equity with the GSSD. Q8 and Q7 got downgraded. AQ and KQ are both strong top pairs with the potential to make a better top 2P.

All those hands seem strong enough to bet for value and protection if we check. Are these V's raising those hands if we bet small? That seems unlikely.

I dunno, man. It's hard for them to have us beat, but not impossible. I'd think it would be even less likely either of them is going to attempt a raise as a bluff if we bet small. But it seems fairly likely they'll bet worse if we check.

I think their ranges are going to fit into two buckets:

1. Better hands that will call a big bet, raise a small bet, or bet if we check to them.

2. Strong TP, 2P, draws or 1P + a draw that will probably call a small bet, and might call a bigger bet, and might bet if we check, but are unlikely to get turned into a bluff by raising, even if we bet small.

If that's their ranges, we should check-call or bet small, and fold if we get raised. In the unlikely event the river is an 8 or 7, we can go for max value. Otherwise, we can go for some thin value on a river brick if we bet small and they flat call or if the turn checks through.

If the river is a Q, J, T, or 9, check-evaluate or block bet-fold.

(Next time, raise pre and pot it or over-bet the flop, so we don't have this dilemma on the turn.)

check turn for pot control, i dont think you want stacks going in vs two players with this hand UI

Overbet. At this SPR its difficult to get stacks in. I'm going 200 minimum OTT.