SB with AQo
1/3 NLHE live. Hero is SB with AQo. UTG+1 is a calling station PF who limps just about every hand and usually calls most raises. He plays fit or fold on most flops. BU is a fairly aggressive LAG type who plays reasonably well post flop. UTG+1 has about 150, hero about 300, BU has us both easily covered.
PF: UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, fold to BU, BU raises to 15, hero 3b to 45 with AcQd, UTG+1 and BU call.
Flop: Qs 7h 3s. Hero leads out for 70, UTG+1 folds, BU calls.
Should I be checking here? Seems likely I’m ahead and I do want to make draws pay. UTG+1 probably gives up unless he hits part of flop, and even then I am likely ahead for now. BU might be calling with AsXs, KQ or possibly a 88-JJ type hand.
Turn: 6h, check, check
I think I probably messed this up. Probably should have checked flop for pot control and bet turn, but here we are.
River: 9d HERO?
Any thoughts on river play and my line in general are welcomed
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At these stacks I’d try to GII OTT.
I'd go to about $55 preflop. Has a better chance of taking things down preflop (and being OOP to a solid laggy player we're quite cool with that). Also offers fairly poor 8:1 IO where we can then fairly comfortably/profitably stack off postflop with TP in a small SPR pot.
Going 3ways has produced an SPR of ~2 against the deeper guy and ~1 against the shallower guy. We've flopped TPTK on a somewhat drawy board. So we're trivially committed for stacks and the only question is how to get them in. Think I would mostly just shove (since this is for < PSB against our main shorter target).
Pot control completely left the station once we 3bet preflop. The only question is how to get all of the chips in ASAP. On the turn we have just 2/3 PSB left, which seems unlikely to give enough rope to induce spazz, so just shove ourselves. Giving free/cheap cards when committed in huge pots is very meh, imo.
As played, easy shove on the river since our hand looks like AK and will get looked up by any pair for this price; a draw probably would have semi-bluffed the turn.
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3bet bigger pre. Cbet is fine, but I don't mind checking to check raise either. As played, Hero should keep blasting turn for value.
I really hate that you are using the term pot control when we are in a wide range situation versus the BTN with a double flush draw turn situation.
99% of poker players would have been better off if they never heard the terminology "pot control"
We certainly don't want to control the pot; we have TPTK in a 3bet pot where the opponent shouldn't have any two pair (on the flop anyhow) and rarely has overpairs, so we are extremely strong, while there are some draws out there.
Cbet I'd say you can go smaller or bigger, I wouldn't mind a large cbet here although generally OOP multiway you'd default to smaller. Check-raise would also work.
Stack sizes are a little awkward. I'd probably keep betting the turn.
Bigger preflop.
Turn check is terrible. Easy turn shove with about 185 left and 270 in the pot and TPTK with 2 possible flush draws. As played, shove river.
flop bet is good, gotta charge the draws. once he calls tho and you check turn, just check river too. not much worse is paying you and if he raises you’re hating life. feels like pot control spot.
You can't pot control with 60% pot left. If you aren't good on the turn or river, villain is trapping.
Jam turn for sure, no need to complicate. As played jam river.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I kind of got into scared money/MUBSy mode OTT, thinking he might be trapping me. At the same time I’m screaming (in my head of course) “He is probably on a draw!” Should learn to trust my reads and not play scared. Turns out I try to get cute, bet 100 otr and he folds and shows me his A5ss flush draw. Should have popped the turn like you all said. If he folds I deny equity; if he calls I double up - win/win play.
Yeah, check on turn was terrible and cost you.
Villain should raise allin on the flop. Based on the configuration, you should not just be 3-betting big pairs. He might get some hands ahead of A5 high to fold. Both players were afraid to get the money in.
OP, you might want to research SPR a little bit. In very small SPR spots that don't go very multiway (which this one is) we are simply committed with TPTK+, and so we attempt to get the money in ASAP. Pot control is a perfectly reasonable concept but it is for much higher SPRs and simply doesn't apply here.
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3bet size is fine pf out the SB. Even if just one calls, the SPR is under 4. I agree that you should just get it in on the turn. Alot of low stakes players don't realize they aren't 2:1 to hit the flush on the turn.
Pre: I make it 50-55, but 45 is hardly terrible
Post: Just as everyone says. Jam Turn.
75 pre, stacking off post