KK vs fish cold4bet???
Ok this is not played live but maybe close enough(fishy/loose callers, aggro opens/3bettors, nonstandard stacksizes/open sizings, 9 handed)
Maybe this is better place than online forums for such hand.
Ok game is 9 handed roughly equivalent of about 100NL(0.5/1$) in asian app with squid game(you lose 33bb or more every 11 hands if you don't win a single hand).
The pool in general are very fishy and aggro at the same time.
Squid value doubles when you have 4 or more.
Villain is a passive fish in general. He would call 24bb/call 100+bb squeeze in sb and check/shove 250bb on kjj w/KTo.
He has some aggro tendencies with semibluffs/bluffs but only when others check.
I have seen him flat 20bb open with QQ in btn. 3wpot, call a cbet on AKx then folds to a x/r.
This is the last squid of the round.
Villain already has 3 squids. Hero has none.
Effective stacks is 860bb vs villain.
Villian in utg limps
UTG+1 opens to 20bb(920bb effective)
Hero in sb w/KK 3bets to 120bb
Villain clicks it to 300bb
Hero???? fold? Jam?
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It's a close spot in theory facing normal like 2.25bb opens, lol, so assuming:
1) The 20bb open is normal (seems like it is given other HHs)
2) The final squid is affecting villain's strategy in any way either because of your lack of squids or his ability to activate the bonus
3) Villain DGAF about the absolute size of the pot (seems clear from the KTo hand that they don't)
Seems like you'd just jam.
I think the overall spew factor/lack of awareness about positions and relative hand strength just makes it a very challenging fold to begin with.
It's a close spot in theory facing normal like 2.25bb opens, lol, so assuming:
1) The 20bb open is normal (seems like it is given other HHs)
20+bb are huge opens
Normal opens are more like 10~15bb.
Some even open for smaller 5~8.
But in my experience any less than 20bb gets called alot.
I guess it's similar to live 1/2 or 1/3
but bb changes back to dollars.
So now it's like 860$ effective for 1/3.
If you fold KK here, you’re folding the best hand too often. Jam and live with the result.
It looks like you are squid hunting so he could limp raise QQ or AK. Just jam it.
Ok this is not played live but maybe close enough(fishy/loose callers, aggro opens/3bettors, nonstandard stacksizes/open sizings, 9 handed)Maybe this is better place than online forums for such hand.Ok game is 9 handed roughly equivalent of about 100NL(0.5/1$) in asian app with squid game(you lose 33bb or more every 11 hands if you don't win a single hand).The pool in general a
Yeah this spot is super gross. Given he’s that passive type who only wakes up with monsters, that 300bb click just screams AA. With stacks this deep I’m not punting 860bb off here sigh fold and move on, squid or not.
It's a close spot in theory facing normal like 2.25bb opens, lol, so assuming:1) The 20bb open is normal (seems like it is given other HHs)
20+bb are huge opensNormal opens are more like 10~15bb.Some even open for smaller 5~8.But in my experience any less than 20bb gets called alot.I guess it's similar to live 1/2 or 1/3 but bb changes back to dollars.So now it's like 860$ effec
Okay, but several of your HHs show 20bb+ single-raises and surely the fact that it's the last hand in the round makes people lean toward bigger sizes?
If the size is unusual enough that it would make BB hesitate to stick their nose in, then that perhaps makes up for the spew/positional unawareness factor.
Not sure what to make of reads. Villain is described as passive but has aggro tendencies with bluffs, semi-bluffs and merged hands, so in what way are they passive?
They're described as only being aggressive when checked to, but we specifically see a spot where they jammed over someone's bet with the ~100th nuts for essentially the same amount of money facing heavy action on a heavy board.
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In game I felt sick, that flatting QQ hand crossed my mind but this is the last squid and we got none he's got 3. At that specific moment I said F*** it and shipped. I couldn't laid it down maybe because I also get cold 4bet light alot by others here(these ppl are crazy here).
Anyways, of course he had AA.
In retrospect, I think it might be a fold.
If we didn't know he flats with QQ, this is easy shove even vs unknowns/randoms.
But when we know he only flats with QQ preflop, what are his 3bet/4bet ranges???
If we exclude QQ of his 3bet/4bet ranges, we probably exclude AK as well??
So his 3bet/4bet ranges becomes AA/KK and we block KK.
Not sure what to make of reads. Villain is described as passive but has aggro tendencies with bluffs, semi-bluffs and merged hands, so in what way are they passiveThey're described as only being aggressive when checked to, but we specifically see a spot where they jammed over someone's bet with the ~100th nuts for essentially the same amount of money facing heavy action on a he
Everybody has an aggressive side in that game. To me he was on the passive side compared to others there.
He jammed with the 100th nuts but he jammed with value, he was pot committed from calling that huge 3bet to begin with, he's committed with anything that hits.
So I rather say he overvalues hands like top pair or whatever postflop.
You can say he's a fish.
It's like live fishes are usually passive but some do have aggro tendencies along with their passivity. Especially at this age, like 10 years ago, passive fishes are just passive fishes, they don't even bluff/steal or whatever. Nowadays, they'll bluff every now and then especially when checked to multiple times.
So I have two questions:
1) On what basis are you saying they’re passive? I assume you don’t hav a HUD. How many hands are you playing against the same players? If you’re relying solely on human observation over (say) a 100 hand sample, I think observing a semi bluff, a bluff and a merged x/jam precludes the possibility that the totality of your observations will be able to conclude they have passive tendencies broadly speaking.
Maybe being able to see whatever hand of theirs you want 2bbs at a time changes this, but I’m skeptical (and in any case would need more clarity on how often you’re using this feature).
Are these very long sessions? Do you single table and pay very close attention to every showdown whether it involves you or not? Is it a small pool and you have history with this player specifically?
2) Even if I grant that they’re passive unless there’s a reason not to be, is it possible that a) it’s the last squid hand, b) you don’t have a squid, and c) they are one squid away from a bonus add up to such an exception?
So I have two questions:1) On what basis are you saying they're passive I assume you don't hav a HUD. How many hands are you playing against the same players If you're relying solely on human observation over (say) a 100 hand sample, I think observing a semi bluff, a bluff and a merged x/jam precludes the possibility that the totality of your observations will be able to concl
Huds are banned on the app.
Only 1 tabling.
Yes it's very small sample size, and based on my opinion.
Yes my opinion might be slightly biased based on results. If villain didn't have AA, maybe I wouldn't even make this post.
It's a very small pool(only 1-2 tables running 24/7, I'd assume maybe 100 players pool max), I don't have history with this player specifically, sessions are 1.5 hours max.
Yea with the squid bonus aggression factor might go way up.
Okay, then I stand by my advice 😃
Sorry for your loss D:
Jam and live with it. If he somehow has aces, that’s just poker lmao
