A5cc Line Check
1/2 Friday early evening. H moved to this table because it was full of unknowns in his regular room and it was a new game.
V1 - unknown asian man - $100-120 effective
V2 - young middle eastern kid 275ish effective
H - mid 30s white kid covers
V1 in UTG opens to 12, 4 callers including V2 in MP+1 calls, and H looks down at A5cc - H just calls? Any merit in 3betting? Didn't want to 3b, have V1 shove, and get committed with prob a marginal hand against his range. Thought process sound?
Flop (60ish)
4d3c2h
H x, V 1 bets 25, V2 calls, folds back to H who decides to min-click it back to 65. V1 tank calls, V2 calls
Turn (250ish) 4d3c2h2s
V1 has about 50 behind, and V2 has about 200ish behind. What is the best turn bet size to get V2 to continue - I put V2 on just a bunch of either Ax or 5x....
5 Replies
Preflop could be a fold.
Flop x/r size is too small. Wheel card flop is an action flop and it is unlikely they will fold. There are a lot of bad turn cards. The 2 is one of them, pairing the board, but still want to gii.
Pre - There's $48 out there, if you gii against V1 you're paying $120 to play for about $270, it isn't ideal but I'm fine with that because V1 is going to fold a lot and is going to flat a lot. My larger concern with a 3! is getting four callers. But if you make it $80, you pick up this pot a lot and there's enough out there to pick up and if you get involved in a hand A5s has decent playability across high and low boards. I would lean toward 3! and call if V1 shoves, and do some thinking if V2 shoves or someone else deeper shoves. That said, I don't hate calling with a suited ace with a family pot to mostly flush hunt.
Flop: I think we can just try to gii here sometimes, but I don't hate getting milky. Feels more like a stylistic decision than any real EV difference.
Turn: We can just jam. Assuming V1 calls, V2 is going to be getting 2.5:1 think 5x, Ax, overpairs, 2x all have a hard time folding. Ax or 5x is folding river if it misses.
Pretty nice squeeze spot. Sometimes we gii vs utg, it happens.
I would go bigger flop. Ship the turn imo.
50 bucks. V's most likely range is overpairs not draws.
Preflop call is good, we have a nutmaker hand going massive multiway vs a bunch of rec's, last thing we want to do is just steal dead money when we could stack 5 people.
Grunch:
PRE - What position are we in? If we're SB, I'd prefer to play 3B or fold. In the BB, I probably just flat call and see a flop.
FLOP - when we x/r, I'd make it enough to put V1 all in and have enough left over to create a side pot that's large enough to make V2 feel he has to fight for it. I'm probably making it $150, not $65.
TURN - as played, any bet is going to look strong, and V2 is going to have a hard time calling if V1 calls, so I might check to let one of them stab at it. If V1 jams and V2 calls, I just stick the rest in. If V1 checks and V2 bets, I probably just call and hope V1 wants to come along.
Alternatively, I might just stick it in and make them both play for the rest of their stacks now. We could be over-playing thin value or pushing with a draw when the turn bricks.
As a general rule I don't like betting small on the flop with nutted hands against low stakes recs who are prone to calling too much on early streets and over-folding on later streets.
