how light do you call this river?
villain is a good LAG who is addicted to overbetting vs capped ranges
1/3 $1300 deep
LAG opens MP, i 3b some good hand to 3x in CO, he calls
flop TT2 rainbow (i dont have trips), he c/c a 1/3 pot range bet (i think this is a pretty stupid play vs a good lag, id prefer a checkback with 100% range here for a lot of reasons, but w/e i screwed up)
turn brick check check
river brick he bets 1.2x pot. how low in your range do you call?
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Personally, I don't like these more open ended abstract questions, but here goes.
A few clarifications/questions
1. Missing Data:
i) What is the open and 3b size?
ii) How does the LAG view you and specifically how he would view your 3b range?
iii) What makes him good? What agressive a LAG is he? Other than he likelike to overbet against capped ranges.
2. A good LAG, calling a 3b OOP (admittedly deep), what's going on here? What do we make of it? My guess is weighted to PPs, and he's hoping to stack you by hitting a set.
3. Tens in his range? AT, do we think much else?
Given so little info, I call off all over pairs, perhaps 99 (though how do I know if that's in your range? I might be tempted to call off AK too. However all of that is kinda hard to know given info you have given.
Personally, I don't like these more open ended abstract questions, but here goes.A few clarifications/questions1. Missing Data:i) What is the open and 3b size? $25/$75ii) How does the LAG view you and specifically how he would view your 3b range? nit and nitty iii) What makes him good? What agressive a LAG is he? Other than he likelike to overbet against capped ranges. he attac
1. Missing Data:
i) What is the open and 3b size? $25/$75
ii) How does the LAG view you and specifically how he would view your 3b range? nit and nitty
iii) What makes him good? What agressive a LAG is he? Other than he likelike to overbet against capped ranges. he attacks weakness on boards unlikely to have helped you and doesnt overplay hands with decent SDV. sort of like lleyton hewiit played tennis, in that unlike most players, when you attack/3b preflop its like putting a target on your back that he can go for a passing shot with.
2. A good LAG, calling a 3b OOP (admittedly deep), what's going on here? What do we make of it? My guess is weighted to PPs, and he's hoping to stack you by hitting a set.
3. Tens in his range? AT, do we think much else? all the suited T's down to probably T7s, all small pps.
Given so little info, I call off all over pairs, perhaps 99 (though how do I know if that's in your range? I might be tempted to call off AK too. However all of that is kinda hard to know given info you have given.
It seems our basic premise for calling is that V either has Tx or air. So the strength of our hand doesn't matter - either A high is good or JJ is losing. I mean is he turning 55 into a bluff? The question is how often do we need to bluffcatch?
I don't think we need to hero call this spot often if we're playing Tx this way sometimes and against a LAG I probably would check turn with a lot of strong hands to give him rope. I don't think we are capped in this line. So maybe I'd toss a couple combos that unblock K high Q high, like A5 mostly to make a statement, but otherwise call down fairly honest.
1. Missing Data:i) What is the open and 3b size? $25/$75ii) How does the LAG view you and specifically how he would view your 3b range? nit and nitty iii) What makes him good? What agressive a LAG is he? Other than he likelike to overbet against capped ranges.
Open size is pretty big.
Might probably fold to his overbet especially if we have a nitty image.
I guess in theory we are calling with all our bluff catchers.
In practice, our hand might be faced up (overpairs/AK/AQ/KQs).
So pot on flop is 150, then cbet is 50+50
pot is already 250 on river, 1.2x that = 300
Tbh, when our range/hand is somewhat faced up and he bets this big, I think it would be leaning towards value like 90% of the time.
Bluffing on such board vs our range is suicidal, of course if villain is crazy then it's a snap call.
I think Villain has some Tx, some boats(pp), maybe even AA. Then the rest are random bluffs which might or might not be in his range.
Maybe Ace brick suited+
Because you range bet flop, you reach river with a bunch of medium strength hands that don’t improve. If he’s balanced, most of those are folds. But vs an exploitative overbettor targeting capped ranges, you call down wider. Think about your blockers: stuff like AQ with a relevant suit or QJ that blocks TT/22 should mix-call. The more you cap yourself early, the more you need to compensate by calling thin later
C'mon man. You are asking us to extrapolate way too much from OP.
in the actual hand i had AK and folded the river.
at first i was thinking i was too high up in my range to fold, but then i thought because i blocked Ax and Kx that could float the flop and then bluff the fold is fine.
then i extrapolated, that if i had AA, i should also fold for the same reason, but I should call 99-KK, because i dont block ax.
thoughts?
in the actual hand i had AK and folded the river.
at first i was thinking i was too high up in my range to fold, but then i thought because i blocked Ax and Kx that could float the flop and then bluff the fold is fine.
then i extrapolated, that if i had AA, i should also fold for the same reason, but I should call 99-KK, because i dont block ax.
thoughts?
This feels way over-complicating things. Also you just said T7s was in his range, so by definition there's a heck of a lot of Kx, Qx, Jx, 9x and a whole load of other **** that he could have floated OOP, that makes the Ax thing a rounding error.
