1/2: Top two facing turn xrai
6-handed $1/$2, $210 effective.
Hero opens UTG $15 with KQo, only BB calls.
Flop ($30): Q♦ J♣ 6♠
BB checks, I c-bet $15, he calls.
Turn ($60): K♥
BB checks, I bet $50, he shoves $180 total.
Iβve got KQ, top two.
Hero has to call $130 more into ~$420 → ~31% needed equity.
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Thoughts so far:
β’ Straights (AT, T9) make sense from the BBβs defend range.
β’ Some sets (JJ/66) possible.
β’ Only hands I really beat are KJ/QJ, maybe the occasional spaz.
β’ I donβt block the made straights (no A, T, or 9), which kinda sucks.
Would you call or fold here readless at 1/2?
And does my turn sizing ($50 into $60) make this spot worse than if I went smaller?
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You have no reads on BB? No idea what he's calling flop with etc?
I think the turn size is too big. Might even check sometimes.
Maybe KJ or even K6 does this for value, from some players, although QJ is less likely than KT IMO.
Maybe QT/JT does this as a semi bluff from some players.
In general when there's an obvious draw that plays this way (T9), then without reads that's what 1-2 players have like 90%+ of the time.
If it's someone who I think can have a huge number of random bluffs, or spazz raise any K then I'd call.
Clear call against an unknown. You are getting a good price, you beat value (KJ, K6, QJ, KQ... maybe AK??), and you always have equity. Even if Villain is never bluffing here (he probably isn't), you can still profitably call.
Biggest question here would be whether or not Villain can have T9o. He shouldn't have that hand from pre-flop, but then again he shouldn't have ATo KQo KJo QJo either. If he has ~32 combos of straights in range, it's dicey but I don't think you can fold this spot readless for 100bb.
I think for $130 I look him up and expect the call to be very close to EV neutral.
6-handed $1/$2, $210 effective.Hero opens UTG $15 with KQo, only BB calls.Flop ($30): Q♦ J♣ 6♠ BB checks, I c-bet $15, he calls.Turn ($60): K♥BB checks, I bet $50, he shoves $180 total.Iβve got KQ, top two.Hero has to call $130 more into ~$420 → ~31% needed equity.⸻Thoughts so far: β’ Straights (AT, T9) make sense from the BBβs defend range. β’ Some sets (JJ/66) possible
I'm sorry you lost. I'm not folding top 2 on a rainbow board QJ6K, for 130 to call 420. Unless I have the read they're the weak-tight nit of nits. It is a big overbet, tbf, and that's usually lethal at LL.
You'll get it back. Just click call and move on. You even have boat outs to catch up if they do have it, and I hope you did.
Turn sizing is fine, provided your image has been one of applying pressure with new top board cards. I guess you 'can' fold, looking at this sizing, nevermind smaller, but I'm not.
Call flop, raise turn is usually so nutted at low stakes, but we have to call here given plenty of value hands you beat and some random low stakes spaz factor.
If you had QJ, I think that would be a fold, though not sure I find it in game.
If you were a lot deeper, maybe you can get away, but no way you can fold here. Pay it, now you have a read.
OTT, I think you can go bigger. V is going to call an overbet with a bunch of Tx that will fold brick rivers and should have a ton of KT/QT/JT/TT/T8 etc. that probably isn't folding. We aren't folding to the jam anyway, so get max value from that drawing portion of his range that might fold brick rivers with an $80-$90 bet.
Yea no need to overthink this one, call seems standard.
Even a tight player may incorrectly value-shove worse hands than Hero sometimes.
Grunch:
PRE - raising seems fine. Size seems big for 1/2.
FLOP - c-betting 1/2 pot seems fine, at least in a vacuum. When we started kind of shallow and we opened for a huge size, I think maybe we could size down a little, and maybe even go as low as 1/3. With the BB range being almost any two, I might also check back.
TURN - when the nuts change, we want to size down with our barrel, to induce V to raise with his nutted hands and call with a wider and weaker range. With top 2P on a board with some possible straights in our opponent's range, but no flush draws, I might even check back here, to give V a chance to bluff river or value bet worse.
Yes, he could have a straight. He could also have a worse 2P, though I'd expect KJ more often than QJ, and we partially block those 2P combos. Doubtful he's playing JJ or 66 this way.
Most low stakes recs aren't going to find this line with very many bluffs, and while we do beat some value, we don't beat much, and we partially block the value we beat. I probably rage-fold and hate myself for the line I took, while trying to feel good about making a disciplined fold.
Really player specific. How big of a nutcase is he haha. I can see some players doing that when they hit their 5-outer to make 2 pairs, or he really hit his straight or trapped with a set. I'm gonna fold unless I think he does that with 2 pairs.
