2 more hands vs hyper aggro
2 more hands vs hyper aggro

2 more hands vs hyper aggro

1/3 8 handed

Hero just sat down for half an hour.

Villain is hyper aggro young korean guy. We've stacked him when we just sat down. We also saw him flat in sb then donk jam vs 2 shortstacks w/k7cc on j96cc.

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Hero is asian guy in 30s

Hand1
Effective 550
Rock Straddle for 5
+1 limps
Hero in+2 opens to 20 w/AA
V in bb flats

Hu pot 51
Flop K68
V checks, H cbets 20, V calls

Pot 91
Turn 6
V donks 70
Hero?

Hand2
Effective 450
V opens to 18 in mp
Hero in bb w/AJs??

19 November 2025 at 03:11 AM
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Grunch:

H1 -

PRE - if V over-defends his BB, I wonder if we could go bigger with our raise.

FLOP - seems fine. Could see arguments for going smaller or larger with the c-bet.

TURN - I think I might click this back to $210.

I don't believe he's got trips. More likely he has one of the flush draws and is trying to set his own price to draw. I'd want to charge him more.

H2 - flat or 3B is fine. If he's aggro, opening too wide and c-betting too often, I'd like to flat. If our hand had more showdown value and if he will over-stab when checked to I'd like to raise, and then check most flops.


Hand 1:

I limp in as per my style.

SPR is 11 and i simply never want to play for stacks with just one pear with that kind of SPR. So facing a check/raise from an aggro guy would put us in a very ugly spot where stacks would then trivially be in play. So I'd lean to checking back flop (which could also induce against hands that would simply fold to a cbet) and then making sure I get to showdown. A small bet against anyone we're fine releasing our hand to (either on a flop check/raise or turn follow up) is ok, but against this guy I just don't want to be put to a decision like that.

Not loving life facing the large turn donk, but I call. Again, I don't feel committed for stacks with this hand so I'm not looking to raise to commit. We keep all his bluffs / overvalues in and are hoping we just see a reasonable river bet so we can showdown. IMO.

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Hand 2:

At a much shallower stack size (such as the $200 one I typically start at in my 1/3 NL game), against a very loose opener I would 3bet to leave myself a PSB shove behind. But at these much larger stacks we can't setup that spot and so we'll be OOP with chips behind if he calls a 3bet. I also don't like flatting HU OOP as I doubt that is profitable, especially against a player who isn't fit/fold/faceup postflop (it's not horrible... but i really highly doubt it is profitable in a raked game with no dead money). Against a large 6x open I think I just make a nitty fold here and move on with life, but that's mainly because I'm not a crusher postflop and I simply avoid situations that aren't good for me; if you're a crusher, obviously do whatever you want.

GcluelessNLnoobG


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HH1 In game, we clicked it to 175 thinking he's going to call w/draws, jamming w/6x.
He folded
But I think my play was bad vs him specifically.
Later he opened in mp co calls, hero in btn calls bb calls
Flop KQ4cc he x/r then snap call jam vs hero w/56cc for 4~500 effective.
This hand and the hand where he open jammed clearly shows that he is crazy with draws on flop which wasn't the case in this hand.
So his range on turn becomes 6x, 8x and bluffs. Against this range we can just call and call most rivers.

HH2
We 3bet to 60, he snap 4 bet jam. we folded
Yes he's crazy.
Later in game, 1 opener, nit 3bets 50, shortstack 4bet jam 120 w/ak
Villain cold5 jam 250 w/99???
He even 3bets a shortstack w/a4o and get it in.

He also duked it out with the other maniac/whale at the table, losing most of the time.


Hand 1 call turn call river easy game. We can raise river if he bets less than half pot.

Hand 2 it’s 3b or fold, but if we 3b we need to be willing to 5bai or call off a 4b shove. I think the main argument for 3b is that he’s going to give it away basically every hand so we need to be the first with a shot to get it. If we double him up that’s not so bad.


by OmahaDonk m

Hand 1 call turn call river easy game. We can raise river if he bets less than half pot.

Hand 2 it’s 3b or fold, but if we 3b we need to be willing to 5bai or call off a 4b shove. I think the main argument for 3b is that he’s going to give it away basically every hand so we need to be the first with a shot to get it. If we double him up that’s not so bad.

What??
hand1
raising river???

hand2 calling 4bet jam???
we dunno he is shoving light at least not yet.
I think calling has more merits than 3betting/folding after knowing his plays.


Hand 1: Call the turn, he’s blasting way too light. Easy station vs this guy
Hand 2: AJs is a standard BB defend. Don’t overthink it


by dangomango m

What??
hand1
raising river???

hand2 calling 4bet jam???
we dunno he is shoving light at least not yet.
I think calling has more merits than 3betting/folding after knowing his plays.

Maybe we have different definitions of hyper aggro.


by OmahaDonk m

Hand 2 it’s 3b or fold, but if we 3b we need to be willing to 5bai or call off a 4b shove. I think the main argument for 3b is that he’s going to give it away basically every hand so we need to be the first with a shot to get it. If we double him up that’s not so bad.

Seriously what? This is just so wrong what the hell you talking about. Flat pre is absolutely fine and standard, 3b pre is fine too. Saying we need to be willing to 5bai or call off a 4b shove is absolutely nonsense. Just nonsense. We're 150bb effective vs a 5bb open in the BB. There's no scenario where we're 5b shoving or 3betting so big we have to call a 4b.

by dangomango m

What??
hand1
raising river???

hand2 calling 4bet jam???
we dunno he is shoving light at least not yet.
I think calling has more merits than 3betting/folding after knowing his plays.

No idea if he's confusing hands but would just ignore his advice. It's awful.

I would flat h2 btw and never folding ever if we hit a pair.


by Pablito m

Seriously what? This is just so wrong what the hell you talking about. Flat pre is absolutely fine and standard, 3b pre is fine too. Saying we need to be willing to 5bai or call off a 4b shove is absolutely nonsense

by dangomango m

Villain is hyper aggro young korean guy. We've stacked him when we just sat down. We also saw him flat in sb then donk jam vs 2 shortstacks w/k7cc on j96cc.

3betting this guy and folding or flatting a likely 4b is an absolute torch. Maybe we can do ok by flatting pre but I’m getting it in light vs someone described as β€œhyper aggro”


by OmahaDonk m

3betting this guy and folding or flatting a likely 4b is an absolute torch. Maybe we can do ok by flatting pre but I’m getting it in light vs someone described as “hyper aggro”

Well, at that time, we only have half an hour on the villain, we had no clue his 3bet/4bet strategies yet.
Some villains are hyper aggro postflop but not preflop. Some villains are both. It's hard to infer just from half an hour of play.

Even after the session, we only know he cold5bet jam 99, 3bet light/call jam vs shortstack w/a4o. Against such range, AJs isn't a 3bet/call 4bet jam hand, maybe something a range like TT+/AK+ is better.


by dangomango m

Well, at that time, we only have half an hour on the villain, we had no clue his 3bet/4bet strategies yet.Some villains are hyper aggro postflop but not preflop. Some villains are both. It's hard to infer just from half an hour of play.Even after the session, we only know he cold5bet jam 99, 3bet light/call jam vs shortstack w/a4o. Against such range, AJs isn't a 3bet/call 4

Those 2 examples make me want to get AJ in pre even more against this guy. It’s especially appealing if he 4b non all in and we get to jam.

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