AQs facing min 3! multiway
1/2 NL. I have about 350. 3-bettor just arrived from broken table, has about 600 and appears very young. Don't have stack sizes or good reads on other players, but think all have at least 200.
UTG opens to 15, which is unusually large. 2 callers to me in HJ who calls (maybe should have 3!), CO calls, BTN calls, BB min 3!s to 30, 3 callers to me. Should I 4!, maybe shove, or call?
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I have felt for the min 3bets live before.
It's very villain dependent.
Some play premiums(ak+/qq+) this way, some does it with random high cards.
At the end of the day, you guesstimate how high their 3b% is. How passive do you think he is.
Newer/weaker players min 3bets with stronger ranges.
Then crazy maniacs clicking with ATC.
Imho, unless you got specific reads just flat.
You one million percent should have 3b.
I've run reports on this, and they've confirmed facing micro 3bs is a classic crying call scenario: losing the vast majority of these pots and losing money in these hands overall (if you could hop in a time machine and go back and not VPIP, you would), but the action itself of calling is winning with basically you're entire range.
Interestingly, 4bing hasn't worked out for me. There are some theories on micro 3bs that they tend to be a somewhat condensed range that rarely folds, in which case you should 4b linearly with very thin value. At least based on my personal results, I wouldn't recommend this.
Semi-capped range + underfolding to aggression generally means you should size up and only raise with your purest of pure value, so I guess that's what you should go with here.
It's all kinda moot here because of how capped *you* are and at least one of the two players is going to have a hand that's just straight ahead of you most the time that they're not inclined to fold to a backjam that reps nothing so really no choice at this point but to double flat.
Getting about 10:1 odds, I don't see how you can fold pf. Shoving just tells everyone you have a good, but not great hand. Call and be prepared to shove if you hit the flop.
OK, I flatted, everyone flatted, except BTN folded.
Flop (160) Qh9s8c (I have AcQc) and 320 back. BB 3-bettor cbets 75, folds to me with one other player to act. What do I do?
These min 3b and cascade of calls makes me want to spaz jam so bad.
Agree with the discussion above that you should have 3!, but 4! is overplaying.
It's a good flop. If V is value betting we are behind, but we have a nice hand to call down with if V is spazzing and I think this line is spazzing a lot. New guy sitting at the table, wants to look tough and intimidating. My plan is to give him rope and let him bluff off. I'm probably putting on my calling station hat.
jam it in. you block AA and QQ, and theres tons of dead money. you have ok equity even vs KK.
UTG opens unusually large and gets 2 callers before you act. No respect for an UTG open? Not sure what to make of that, but definitely like the 3Bet in position. My priority would be to narrow the field.
I almost never raise from the BB and why make a 3bet that will certainly be called? This also puzzles me. I can’t see doing this without a very big hand that doesn’t mind company and is looking for value. But villain is not me.
One of the hardest things in poker has been realizing that villains don’t think like me. Maybe new guy at table wanting to see what he can get away with or maybe a big hand.
You hit the flop, cbet was coming no matter the flop and you’re not folding. So I agree with nitty, just rip it now. The best I can gather is that villain is polarized with a big hand or nothing much (maybe small pair) and as nitty pointed out, you have a lot of equity even against his big hands.
also not jamming pre is a mistake
I shoved the flop. CO folded, 3-bettor tank called. Runout was Qh9s8c10h4s. 3-bettor showed JJ for a straight.
We rekt him.
You played this fine. Not much you can do about the runout. How are you supposed to know you ran into that rare guy that knows how to play jacks.
Not knowing the personalities/dynamics, but I could have gotten away from this hand pre. I would have 3bet, so it depends what happens after that. Folding to a 4Bet, but don’t think that’s coming from JJ. Might get heads up and have a better chance of making jacks fold as the aggressor, but likely not changing this result no matter what you do.
When people say that hand plays well multiway, it doesn’t mean I have to jump in there. I am more sensitive to the fact that you will lose more often in a crowd even with aces, so I could let it go preflop in a nitfest. Suited doesn’t mean much to me and AQ is a trouble hand. It’s too late after the flop though, as the money’s going in with top top.
Bottom line is you got it in good and villain sucked out on you. I wish I didn’t have to say it, but it happens all the time. On to the next….
