AcTc ep.
1/3 8 handed. UTG straddle to 6 is on.
The UTG +1 is the effective with 90. I have 300. The table was super loose pre flop. The button and SB were younger hoodie players who could squeeze but were doing a lot of calling as well. The guy to my left was playing every hand whether it was raised or not. The straddler is never folding. UTG+1 was extremely loose with limps but this was only the second pre flop raise in about 40 minutes at the table. I should have a tight image.
UTG+1 raises to 15, it's folded to me in LJ and I call with AcTc? I wasn't sure what to do here. On one hand I didn't feel comfortable 3 betting given what I though was probably a strongish UTG +1 range. I knew we were getting at least 2 more calls behind but there was the risk of a squeeze. Unfortunately, the UTG+1 was short stacked which hurt my implied odds. Is this a fold? The CO calls, and the Straddle calls.
(60 in pot) As6c4d...Checked to UTG+1 who bets 30, I call and the others fold.
(120 in pot) As6c4d7h....The UTG+1 goes all in for 55 and I call. I felt beat but maybe this guy was on a suicide mission. There were a few Aces I might be ahead of.
What are you guy's doing differently here.
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What are the stack sizes of the players likely to squeeze? I might 3bet enough to discourage anyone else from getting involved and to prevent the original raiser from reopening the betting. But in any event, it's 15BB effective with the straddle, it's the other players who you need to be more concerned about, whether or not getting it in for 15BB with ATs doesn't seem to be the issue here, this player isn't going to make you rich but the hand could make you poor
I know the dude hasn't raised a lot but I'm not believing this is a super strong hand with a $15 raise in a straddled pot and if it is God bless him and make a note. Just go $40 pre to get it heads up, call it off if he shoves and fold to action from anyone else pre.
With the raiser only $100 deep, I wouldn't 3!. It's pretty miserable to raise to $40 get flatted by 1-2 callers and then V jams. Are we folding for $60 in a $200+ pot? But calling and going 3-4 ways in a $300-$400 pot AT is very light. And if we rejam we are praying for folds. It's just a really gross spot and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens often in a loose game.
So calling is probably the best option.
Post flop, we hit top pair and gii for 33bb with some dead money - that can't be terrible. Win or lose, we should be AI 100% of the time. It's a lot more awkward if the bigger stacks stick around.
I fold pre. Postflop I shrug call.
Grunch:
PRE - it's okay to fold ATs when there's an EP raise for 5BB's from someone who only has 30BB's. It depends. If the short-stacked player is bad for the game, I don't like giving them action. If they're not annoying, and if I'm up a lot on the session and running well, I might flick in a loose call.
It's not terrible to call, but I'd be calling hoping that others in the game come along and that we'll be able to cooler them post-flop. You're not deep enough here to want to get involved if it's just going to be the two of you heads-up, so I wouldn't raise.
FLOP - Seems like a fairly standard call. We shouldn't have called with AT if we're going to fold TP to a 1/2 pot c-bet.
TURN - ditto the above. Just pay it off. Wouldn't worry about it much one way or the other.
I don’t mind the call. Anytime you go poking the short stack, you better expect he will shove all-in. Sometimes the best approach is to shove yourself and remove their fold equity.
When villain bets the flop, I’m making a nit fold, because I know the rest of that stack is going in and he must think he’s good. When playing AT, I’m hoping villain doesn’t have an ace, but he has indicated that he does, so I’m getting out early.
Short Stacks can be so different in their approach, many blast off with anything. For instance, if villain ripped it on the flop, I would be more comfortable calling then what you faced.
