1/3 trips limped pot oop

3 ways it seems somewhat likely we’re behind. For this price we can call and see what happens.

Ditto the above.

I'd play the hand the same way to the turn.

My initial instinct was to fold the turn. However, we're getting about 4.5:1. Any 4 or 3 will likely chop the pot (although we do have some RIO vs quads, ETA: and 6 of our outs don't actually get us much on our return since we'll almost always be chopping). Any T will win us the pot and we probably have decent IO on that. There's an outside chance a spade wins us the pot. Might be a sigh call for this price?

GcluelessNLnoobG

I wouldn’t jump to too many conclusions yet, like they said - great price to call

….with a lot of runouts you should like

Call. I'd least flop.

dear lord when are we going to raise?! raise pre raise or check raise flop raise turn holy hell raise!

Funny, I’m the one they accuse of blind aggression, but I think you’re wrong here.

I don’t ever like raising preflop from the BB - why would you with this hand? Any raise after that will likely only be called by better hands.

If you raise the flop, it looks like a jack
Now everyone knows

If you raise the turn, it still looks like a jack
OP thinks we’re behind on this street
I don’t think this is terrible spot to raise, but I think it would be best to wait for the river

If you get a 4liner of spades, you might have to escape - but a lot of cards can improve your situation

I don’t have as negative overall view of the situation as OP, but I don’t think inflating the pot is a great idea, until possibly the river with more info.

In game, if I knew a little more than a talkative guy and a black guy, it’s likely I would raise the flop

Bottom Line is most of the time with trips, we want to get the money in. But sometimes it might be better to play the situation a little more carefully, like top pair - top kicker.

The constant dynamic:
You can get greedy & win a big pot, but there’s a very real chance you will lose a big pot.
Or you can tiptoe a little bit with a good chance to win and avoid taking a big hit to your stack when you’re wrong.

I mean, there are some reasons to raise preflop and flop (although I think our more passive line is better), but raising the turn is horrendous imo (you saw the only draw got there and yet dood is still betting 3ways and getting called, right?).

GgohomeBanana,you'redrunkG

Calling the flop against a field on a suited board is bad. You need to pop the flop. Don't overthink.

As played, it's been turned into a dog's breakfast. Fold and regain composure.

For those saying raise flop, we get jammed on, we are playing for stacks a in a limped pot?

So V1 (who looks like he is capable of overplay) is betting $50 on the river into $170 into two players? I mean, we don't have to be good all that often... but are we really good enough? J9, really? I'd only cry call here against the most completely clueless / lol terrible.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Oh, forgot to write I folded on turn.

Process not results

Monsters under the bed. Accept some variance. It's a game.

Monsters under the bed. Accept some variance. It's a game.

There's a 4 flush out there. make that pay to see the turn. Then decide what to do next.

As played you made it way harder.

We only have trips with mediocre kicker in a limped multiway pot. If this was a raised pot or my hand was say A kicker I can get along raising for value. No way I'm stacking off with this trash in a limped pot.

With your thought process, I should stackoff tptk in a srp every single time. If I don't I have monster under the bed syndrome.

Raise or fold pre - when it's straddled, play the BB more similar to SB. There really isn't much reason to get involved with JTo trash at all, let alone multiway. I'd fold.

Flop- ok we limped trash and hit about as good as we can hit. Raise, don't let the flush draw for free.

Turn- We put ourselves in a gross spot, but sometimes we're still ahead, we have outs to beat a flush so call.

I just don't understand limping trash to play super multiway, then play limp noodle when the flop smashes us in the face and letting the other random trash draw for free. From the minute we limped, we were -EV.

Just because we raise doesn't mean we have to stack off. You are allowed to raise and fold if V jams.

I suggested calling turn, but I think a strong argument to donk for value and fold if jammed on because fishy games aren't going to see jam bluffs OTT. Most of the time, they will just call, call with worse and jam their flushes.

If you're going to play postflop this way on one of the best possible flops for you, don't play this hand at all.

This would be easier to navigate if you started more than 300 eff.

PRE - with the 6 straddle on, we're only 50 straddles eff. Raise or fold JTo. And folding is probably preferred.

FLOP - if we're worried someone could have better JX, we should have folded pre.

I don't know if it's better to lead out for a huge size or go for a check raise. We're mostly folding out worse and getting called by better either way.

TURN - As played, you're basically turning your hand into a bluff catcher. I actually think it's ok, so long as V is betting small. I'd probably call turn, and then evaluate river.

Among the challenges on the river is that our hand looks like trips or a low flush, so it's hard to think V is going to bet worse a third time if we check again. Don't see much value in block betting, so I'd mostly just check-fold, which sucks after flopping trips.

I'll admit I didn't notice we were completing a straddled pot in the BB. I don't think this is horrendous (as there is only one person who can raise and prevent us from seeing a cheap flop) but I probably lean to a fold.

Unlike a lot of others, I don't mind our overall thought process at all. We play bingo poker by attempting to see cheap flops, flop whatever hand we flop, and then most importantly evaluate how valuable that hand actually is given the action/etc. Given this particular action and runout, we have a very mediocre hand that we're fine playing cautiously, imo.

ETA: I always use the following example against the ~"if you can't ~stack off postflop when you actually flop a hand then why did you play it preflop" type responses. A bunch of limps, you overlimp 66 on the Button. Case 1, K62hh, the biggest action guy in the room donks and the next biggest action guy in the room calls. Case 2, 876hhh flop, the biggest nit in the room overdonks and the next biggest nit in the room raises. We're playing these two hands the exact same way cuz we hit what we were attempting to hit preflop?

GcluelessbingopokernoobG

You should have raised the flop. Sometimes the flush gets there and we lose some chips. It happens. The monsters under the bed comment was about the flop play.

Trying to be helpful here, not a jerk. What was your thinking when you called that tiny flop bet? You have just flopped the effective nuts. There's a small bet. I would make an oversize raise here knowing the draw will come along and hoping the trapped guy comes too. This time it got there. Oh well. Make that draw pay.

One of those is a decent flop for our hand, and the other one kinda sucks if we don't boat up soon.

That's my point though. In both hands we flopped a set (one of the hands we're looking to flop when we play this hand preflop), and yet just because we want to sometimes fold that hand / play it cautiously postflop when we hit it doesn't mean we shouldn't have played it all preflop.

In this particular hand we flopped trips (one of the hands we were looking to flop when we played it preflop, although obviously straights are much better hands to make and you could possibly argue two pair is too) and yet postflop on this board and to this action we've decided to play it a little cautiously, which is fine.

GimoG