PLO Bombpot Spot

If we had a magic 8ball that can guarantee no one has a set of jacks it’s a snap gii

Otherwise it’s still probably a gii, but we aren’t exactly fist pumping:

If you folded and went straight to the cashier to collect your nice win, and never once looked back to see what happened in the hand I don’t think I’d fault you either

It’s somewhere in between. I don’t think we’re ever gonna be printing huge but if someone has JJT or what not we’re pretty screwed. I think I fold and don’t tell anyone outside of this forum.

You don’t have either board locked up
You need both boards to pair
Best player at the table pots 800
Lot of players involved and still to act
Already have a nice win, bout to pick up
Just fold

Grunch:

I sometimes play in a home game with DBPLOBP's every orbit, and it seems like someone gets wrecked in every one. Oftentimes, I'm the guy getting wrecked. So take this with that in mind.

FYI you have the 9h showing in your hand and on board 2.

My gut reaction looking at this is that it's deceptive. It looks like you've got a lot going on with both boards, but I think it may be hard for you to end up being good on either, and almost certainly not on both.

On board 1, you're hoping for a board pair, but two of the possible outs are the 8 in your hand and the 9 on the other board. You're losing to flopped straights and future flushes there. Some sliver of the time you might be okay if it runs out with two hearts, and you make a 9-high flush.

On board 2, it's a similar story. You're hoping for a board pair, but at least here you're only holding one of those outs. You're losing to flopped straights and future straights. You would probably be good with running diamonds.

It's tough to think you're likely to get there, because someone with T7 has a straight on board 1 and has one of your outs on board 2. Someone with T8 has a straight on board 2 and has one of your outs on board 1.

You're pretty screwed if anyone has JJT7, JJ75, JT87, or TT87, and hands like QT87, QT85 or QT75 have pretty decent equity to scoop. The silver lining here is that neither board has many diamonds or hearts on it, so you may have a little more chance to improve to a flush on either board.

I'd think your best shot is to make the nut flush or a boat on board 2, and pray to boat up on board 1. But the likelihood of either/both happening seems slim.

My basic heuristic with this game is to over-fold if we don't have at least one board locked up, or a ton of equity on both boards. So, I think we can fold here.

H makes the fold.

V1 had AcKcKd3h
V2 had QcQhThJh
V3 had Tc8s7c5h

Just another example, in a long list of them, why bomb pots are the absolute nuts

Good fold.

I'm calling this off like a donkey. Even with some of our outs dead, we have a truckload of equity in both pots, especially if everyone calls. We may do something crazy like boat up on one board and back into the nut flush on the other.

I don't know if I could sleep easy at night flopping two sets and folding.

Without looking at responses and based on your frame of mind, fold and go to the bathroom until you’re sure they’re onto at least the second hand after, rack up and leave, and pump your fist driving home thinking about your nice $900 win.

My guess is it’s slightly ev+ to gii but the variance will be very high.

Both hero & board 2 have the 9h

Omaha Double Board Bombpot Equity Calculation
Boards: 9c8c6h, Jd9s7s
Player 1 has Ad9d9h8h (Total Equity: 28.1%):
- Equity: 21.7%, 34.5%
- Win: 21.7%, 31.3%
- Tie: 0.0%, 6.5%
Player 2 has AcKcKd3h (Total Equity: 9.4%):
- Equity: 17.0%, 1.9%
- Win: 17.0%, 1.9%
- Tie: 0.0%, 0.0%
Player 3 has QcQhJhTh (Total Equity: 24.8%):
- Equity: 30.8%, 18.8%
- Win: 30.5%, 18.6%
- Tie: 0.6%, 0.5%
Player 4 has Tc7c8s5h (Total Equity: 37.6%):
- Equity: 30.5%, 44.8%
- Win: 30.2%, 41.3%
- Tie: 0.6%, 7.0%
Calculated at www.DinoPoker.com

If we give someone a spade draw, it doesn’t change much:

Omaha Double Board Bombpot Equity Calculation
Boards: 9c8c6h, Jd9s7s
Player 1 has Ad9d9h8h (Total Equity: 26.5%):
- Equity: 21.9%, 31.0%
- Win: 21.9%, 30.0%
- Tie: 0.0%, 2.1%
Player 2 has AcKcKd3h (Total Equity: 9.2%):
- Equity: 17.0%, 1.4%
- Win: 17.0%, 1.4%
- Tie: 0.0%, 0.0%
Player 3 has QcQhJhTh (Total Equity: 21.1%):
- Equity: 31.3%, 11.0%
- Win: 31.0%, 11.0%
- Tie: 0.6%, 0.2%
Player 4 has Tc7c8s5s (Total Equity: 43.1%):
- Equity: 29.8%, 56.5%
- Win: 29.5%, 55.4%
- Tie: 0.6%, 2.2%
Calculated at www.DinoPoker.com

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HU v V3

Omaha Double Board Bombpot Equity Calculation
Boards: 9c8c6h, Jd9s7s
Player 1 has Ad9d8h9h (Total Equity: 32.3%):
- Equity: 25.4%, 39.1%
- Win: 24.9%, 33.9%
- Tie: 0.8%, 10.3%
Player 2 has 7c8s5hTc (Total Equity: 67.8%):
- Equity: 74.6%, 60.9%
- Win: 74.2%, 55.8%
- Tie: 0.8%, 10.3%
Calculated at www.DinoPoker.com

In a shocking development, the best PLO player in the game is printing money.

Hero actually should’ve racked up & left before the dbbp.

This sounds like a wonderful structure btw, lemme make sure I understand it.

Game starts
Dealer 1
1/3 NLHE
Dealer 2
$20 NLHE DBBP
1/3 NLHE
Dealer 3
$20 PLO DBBP
2/2 PLO
Dealer 4
$20 PLO DBBP
2/2 PLO
Dealer 5
$20 NLHE DBBP
1/3 NLHE

This is in New Hampshire? Run it twice only on PLO (except in bomb pots)? Where I play the guys who’d be willing to play this would want $6 & $5 Mississippi button straddles*, which would be fine by me.

*We do it in Wendover with the action starting utg, skipping the straddle, going through the blinds then back to the straddle; if he raises it goes back to the SB.

In the actual hand, JJ being out is disastrous for hero.

Omaha Double Board Bombpot Equity Calculation
Boards: 9c8c6h, Jd9s7s
Player 1 has Ad9d8h9h (Total Equity: 17.9%):
- Equity: 22.5%, 13.3%
- Win: 22.5%, 10.0%
- Tie: 0.0%, 6.5%
Player 2 has 7c8s5hTc (Total Equity: 39.5%):
- Equity: 30.4%, 48.6%
- Win: 30.2%, 44.9%
- Tie: 0.5%, 7.3%
Player 3 has QcJsJhTh (Total Equity: 33.4%):
- Equity: 30.1%, 36.6%
- Win: 29.8%, 36.2%
- Tie: 0.5%, 0.8%
Player 4 has AcKcKd3h (Total Equity: 9.3%):
- Equity: 17.0%, 1.6%
- Win: 17.0%, 1.6%
- Tie: 0.0%, 0.0%
Calculated at www.DinoPoker.com

With V1 & V2 only having 300 & 500, they are almost certainly pot committed, so the equity is not there to put your last 800 in hu with V3.

The problem with continuing is that the cards we need to come out are either in our hand, or on the board, or very likely to be in our opponents' hands if they want to continue.

Like, we want board 1 to pair, but all the 9's are out, two of the 8's are out, and someone playing T8 on board 2 has another of the 8's. We could be drawing to just 7 outs, preferably all lower than our 9's. One of our outs, a 6, could make someone quads. I'd worry we only have four outs - the case 8, or runner-runner low cards.

Like here, after seeing the reveal, we'd be drawing dead if a K or Q hits the turn. Could be we'd be dead on a T, J or A for all we know.

On board 2 we're toast vs JJ, and would need to go runner-runner diamonds, but without pairing the board with the 7d. Even if someone just has T8 there, we're drawing to just 9 outs to boat up, if we don't go runner-runner diamonds. And it's a similar story, in that we'd be drawing dead or almost dead on a K or Q turn.

I played a similar hand not too long ago. I flopped 2P on both boards, but it was the same 2P, making it super-hard for me to improve to a boat on either board. I was drawing to just 2 outs on both boards.

Of course I got my money in bad, and got scooped by the guy who flopped an OESD on one board and a FDFD on the other, when both his draws got there.

Hero, with nothing invested in the pot, has to cold call 60% of his stack oop & only one nut card in the deck from a great player’s 3bet in order to eventually risk 1300 (900 of it profit) to win 2100 in a game he was getting ready to leave.

HU on the 2nd side pot he’s 68-32 dog to v3, not accounting for dead cards.

Snap fold—it’s a suicide watch on the drive home if you get felted—and be thankful it only cost $20 to learn you shouldn’t play PLO DBBP’s for your last hand of the night.

Yes. Also that.

The situation was actually even worse than I imagined in my first post. Our back-door heart flush draw was no good on board 1 (I wasn't confident it would be). We only had 7 outs there - the case 8, one of the three 6's, or runner-runner that isn't K-K or Q-Q. Maybe we were 30% there.

We were actually in better shape on board 2, where we just needed a board pair or runner-runner diamonds. We might have had something like 40% equity there.

I don't know how to do the combined equity in my head, but in game I'd be thinking the odds of us scooping were slim to none, and I'd probably just average the equity on each board to come reasonably close to the likelihood we'd get half the pot.

Continuing with only around a 35% chance of getting half the pot doesn't seem like a good gamble.

This is why so many NLHE players get wrecked in DBPLOBP's. Things tend to escalate quickly, and we have a hard time accurately assessing our true equity.

Doc, you’re the OP?

I'm what now?

Did you think I posted this?

Lulz. It was very late, I was very tired, and I got confused by “we’re in worse shape” instead of “hero’s in worse shape”.

I mean it's not that hard to play the nuts on both boards (with blockers), although likely raising to 325 would have been better with his specific hand I'm not sure how true that'd be for rest of his gii range vs. the shorter stacks.

Actually think this was a great experience/lesson for H for only $20.

I was using the royal "we".

I vehemently disagree. He’s on the button facing pot & a call from two shorts with another player to act and only two cards that can improve his hands, both on Board 1. There are flush draws on both boards (9s s/b on Board 2) and he obviously doesn’t want any pairing. Gotta charge the max to draw.

I vehemently agree! If there’s ever a PLODBBPFAP this hand should get it’s own section. Great fold by Hero. No EV with two short stacks and the chance someone has JJ