2/5 ak vs 3b jam

Not loving when a passive fish limp jams. Probably snap folding.

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Jam. I’m fine getting it in pre for 75bb + dead money from SB

Go for it. It's 75bb vs someone who's probably jamming wide.

Wait...who's got $375 here? BB, or us? It makes a difference. Are you short stacking again? Is BB stuck and tilted?

Not sure I'd describe V as loose passive when he's limp-jamming 3x/hour. He's definitely loose if he's calling as wide as 85s. But passive? Maybe he plays passively with his more speculative hands and hyper aggro with a linear range that's probably too wide.

That limp-jam frequency makes me wonder if he's squeeze-jamming somewhat light, over-playing some 2nd tier hands like 99-JJ and ATs+ that are happy to take the pot down pre with enough dead money in it. He may not be comfortable playing those hands OOP and multi-way post flop. But he probably isn't taking that line with top of range.

He hasn't limped here. He just cold 3B jammed for 75 bigs. But I'd think his strat and range looks much the same. It seems unlikely he's doing this with AA/KK. We might be flipping, but it won't shock me if we have him dominated with some worse AX or KX combo.

If BB has been jamming a lot, I'd be somewhat leery of SB possibly trapping with a big hand here. But we can't call the $375 and fold to a $1k jam, so we're probably better off just jamming ourselves, rather than letting him see a flop with whatever he has.

The above assumes BB has $375 and we're $1k eff with SB. If we only have $375, all we can do is call, and hope to win.

If BB is $1k eff with SB, I'd still call, but I might think he's stronger than if he only had $375.

BB only had 375
BB has been losing small pots here and there from his passive plays, but he also pushing stacks to win like uber tiny pots. Doesn't seem tilted.
we are 1000 eff vs sb
I started w/500 got it up slowly winning small pots and here and there.
As for sb trapping, he open folded TT to bb last hand, should have less traps???

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The reason we labeled him as passive fish was becoz when we first sat down we played a hand vs him. He x/c'ed 2streets w/pair+fd in a 3way pot. When someone plays combo draws this passively, his betting/raising range becomes obvious nutted.

What sort of range do you give him when he repeatedly jams pre with a short stack?

If he's been losing, even if the pots have been small, do you think that ever leads to tilt? Or do people only get tilted when they lose a big pot?

How much can we deduce from SB flatting a raise in the BB with TT and then folding to a jam? How do we apply that information to the current hand?

How much can we deduce about how V plays based on a single hand, in which he played passively with a pair + flush draw? Can we logically say he's always nutted when he bets, and has no bluffs?

My hunch is you're likely making a few too many assumptions about what your opponents are doing, and some of those assumptions can easily be wrong.

How I'd answer the questions above:

V's jamming range likely shifts with his stack depth. The deeper he is, the less likely it is he's jamming very light. But he could be tilted and willing to gamble with a lot of hands, just looking for a double up. His 75BB jamming range here might be 77+ and literally any AX or Broadway combo.

I think tilt can arise from losing one big pot or lots of small ones, which is itself an indication he's probably playing too many hands, likely because he's tilted.

I don't know how much we can deduce from the TT hand. I don't know that we can rule out SB trapping when the player on his direct left is jamming pre 3x/hr.

I don't know what to deduce from seeing V play a pair + draw passively. Maybe he just isn't studied, and frequently doesn't know how to play certain spots. If that's true, then I wouldn't rule out the possibility he may get aggro in spots where it wouldn't make much sense, like when he's limp-jamming a lot pre. I'd call him fishy, but not necessarily loose passive.

All that said, you have AKs. Just stick the rest in. Not much to debate here.

Dango has AKo here, not s. We need 47% here and vs a range of low-med PPs we only have 44. I'm call happy and I let this one go.

If we think they're loose enough to be doing this with any AQ-, ldo call it off. But I think we're hoping to chop here. They'd have to be suicidal to stick it in again vs someone who open-folded TT on the very last hand. Maybe they are?

This is button versus BB. SB should never have flat called with AA/KK. I would shove.

That's really the point - how are we ranging V when he does this 3x / hour? With a short stack, he's probably wider than just PP's and AK. He could be as wide as any suited ace, any AXo above A8, KQ, KJs, QJs, etc.

We're looking at this through our perspective. V may not be interpreting SB's open-folding TT the way we would. He could just be tilted and jamming any hand that fares to be a decent favorite against a lot of hands OP is likely to raise-fold and SB is likely to call-fold.

This situation is sort of like Banana's recent thread where he "made a move" with 77, and GG is in there saying even if Banana looks semi-FOS, it's hard for any of his opponents to have a hand strong enough to call off his jam, so he can expect to get it through more often.

This V may just think SB is always folding to his jam, and OP may be opening wide enough on the BTN that he'll be folding a lot of his range.

If OP opened A5s or JTs or some other hand that doesn't want to play for 75BB's before seeing a flop, I'd say it's fine to fold and wait for a better spot. But he's got AK. Suited or offsuit, he could have BB crushed.

I get that this V is likely pretty damned light here, even though this isn't a limp-jam, just a jam into a raise and call, but we still need 47% to call this off. Even if they're screwing around with 77---and I see this sort of thing a bit from tilty Vs not knowing what to do with the 77-JJ set---H doesn't have it.

It's close though. Calling AKs here. If they're also getting frisky with AXo, then ofc we call. I think H just often gets shown TT, etc here a bunch and IRunSoBad! ensues...

You are ahead of BB's range. If he can have 77, he can have AQ/KQ, etc. It is hard to range a fish making a play that doesn't really make sense, but you have to push.

I wouldn't call it run bad if we push with AK and lose to 77-JJ. I'd call it run bad if we run into AQ and he makes TPTK that holds.

I think there's a decent chance V has all the PP's from 22+, and a lot of worse AX, plus maybe even some Broadway combos, and maybe even some SC's.

We can't know how this loon is structuring his cold-3B jam for 75BB from the BB range. But I'd think we have enough equity to call this off with AKo.

idk what to tell you beyond poker is a game of "math"

if you think the info in op is enough to fold the top 95% of your range otb gl

Adding to Sub's point, if we knew he had AA here, and then we see him 3B to 60 in the next hand, would we think he had AA again?

V is clicking buttons. You can't fold AK for 75BB's after you open for 3BB in a 2/5 game, unless you think he's ONLY jamming AA/KK/AK. If that's what you think, there's nothing to discuss, just fold.

If you think his 75BB jamming range is 99+/AK/AQs/AJs, there's also nothing to discuss, just get it in and don't worry about the outcome.

In a recent 1/3 session, I opened AKs to $15, and a woman I had pegged as a fish 3B me to $80, off of maybe $280. I figured her 3B range was JJ+/AK, but I knew I was never folding AKs, even to a >5x 3B, so I jammed.

She beat me into the pot with KK. I spiked an A on the turn and stacked her. She immediately reloaded for $500, and donated another $100 to the game before moving to 2/5, where I assume she torched at least $1k.

I knew she could have me beat. I also knew I wasn't folding. If she's got it, she's got it. Even if she didn't have it, and she just had JJ or QQ, at best we were flipping. It didn't matter. I'm not folding AKs for less than 100BB. I'm just getting it in and letting the poker gods sort it out.

Not that long ago, I lost 400BB's getting it in with AKs vs TT. Around that same time, I got it in pre with AA vs AJ. I recently got it in with AA vs QQ. It's low stakes, people are getting it in with TT, AJ, and QQ. I've gotten it in with A4s for $200 vs a guy who was jamming dark. I'm not folding AKs vs low stakes opponents who are jamming TT+/AJ+.

If you're sitting there thinking you're a fish for getting it in with AK for 75BB against a guy who's limp-jamming 3x / hour, I don't know how to persuade you that you're not, and it's just variance.