2/5 ~ PAHWM: AQs facing nonstop 3bets
2/5 ~ 7 handed, 2 players gone forever.
V is a reg, has been actively 3betting hero, over the past 3 hours at least 6+ 3bets vs hero specifically, some vs others. His strategy is 3bet/fold preflop.
Postflop he was hyper aggro vs a fish whenever the fish bets small he'd raise on turn or river.
We folded to his 3bets everytime except 1 time where a whale was in hand we 4betted he folded.
Hero has been nitty, won some money from whale and fish.
Whale left, 2~3 fishes is still at the table.
Eff 1600
Hero in utg opens to 20 w/A♣Q♣
V 3bets to 60 in +1
Hero???
i think you're going to make less mistakes calling than 4betting
does anyone actually prefer this thread format?
Very standard call, one of the few suited continues that doesn't really mix 4 bets here. Also if you are getting 3b often you might want to stop opening 4x
I also like a flat.
Eh, I'm less sure. If you call preflop then given reads you are going to have to call down at a non-trivial frequency because AQ high will be good and V will likely over bluff postflop.
Just making it 125 preflop and almost auto cbetting 25-33% flop might make it much easier to play, depending on how he reacts. But it is getting into street poker territory.
No, but I kind of understand why people want to post in this format.
Call pre. If he's playing 3B or fold and he has position on us, it's good to have some stronger hands in our range getting to the flop. If we've seen enough showdowns to know he's frequently out of line, I might consider 4B'ing.
If he's in the habit of auto-c-betting for a large size, I might consider playing 4B or fold against his 3B's. Otherwise we'll need to be dialed in enough post flop that we can check raise aggressively to punish him for 3B'ing light and c-betting too much.
VS active players that 3b, stop opening to 4x. Open to 3x. Personally I would of just left the table because it's not worth battling vs a reg in weak live games where you can just print $60 an hour having easy spots. Or at least change seats so you are 4 seats away from him if no other tables are available.
As played 4b is fine vs a player who 3b a lot. Calling is also fine. Folding is not an option with this hand. The standard line is to call almost 80-90% of the time.
on this board it's gonna be really really hard to not go broke in a 4b pot as played. Stack to pot ratio is already ballooned, and you flopped a top tier hand. Sure he could have KK or a slow played AA but what can you do?
With this much money to play behind, I am pretty sure a quarter pot bet is a mistake. I think when stacks get this deep, and you are in a dicey situation i'd lean towards 60%-75% pot or around $250-$350. You really don't want to give him the correct odds to call with a hand like 54s 67s which he has when you only bet quarter pot.
On this turn, i'm defaulting to betting big and calling it off in a 4b pot. If i'm beat i'm beat. Another option is to check call, if he's prone to just bluff off his stack but never folding. You can't really 4b and fold when you get this good of a flop against an aggressive villain.
If you do decide to check, and he checks back, it's gonna be an interesting river situation depending on the card.
VS active players that 3b, stop opening to 4x. Open to 3x. Personally I would of just left the table because it's not worth battling vs a reg in weak live games where you can just print $60 an hour having easy spots. Or at least change seats so you are 4 seats away from him if no other tables are available.
Table was good until whale left.
Though theres still a fish or two left. 1 of them just got stacked and rebought.
Maybe I should switch seats/table like you said. This is solid advice. It had me wondering if all 2/5 regs are like this, then I realized he was just an exception.
Also V initially sat on my right, he moved to my left, supposingly he hated the middle seat.
Keep betting. You have the best hand a ton.
i think you are dead if all the money goes in unless he bluffs it off
its 300bb ep vs ep.
Table was good until whale left.
Though theres still a fish or two left. 1 of them just got stacked and rebought.
Maybe I should switch seats/table like you said. This is solid advice. It had me wondering if all 2/5 regs are like this, then I realized he was just an exception.
Also V initially sat on my right, he moved to my left, supposingly he hated the middle seat.
People love to lie, especially at the poker table.
+1 to table change or if game is still great -- seat change.
This hand is super read dependent. OP wrote V 3bet hero six times in 3 hrs + 3bet others more times. How many times altogether?
Preflop I call.
Bet 250 on the flop if V 3bets pre that wide.
I’d be more inclined to check the turn if hero bet 250, leaving a psb on the river if v checked back. But here we are. Bet 450.
I had no clue how to play 4bet pots live.
I defaulted to my online play.
Hero cbets 125
V looks at my stack before calling.
Pot 657
Turn 3♥
Hero??
We've somewhat painted ourselves into a corner by 4B'ing pre and using a somewhat large c-bet size from OOP. I don't really like any of our options here.
What size would you bet here with QQ?
I think we have $1275 behind now? I might bet $275. I guess fold if he raises. If he calls, I think the pot will be $1207, and we'll have $1k behind. Probably block bet most rivers for like $350, hoping to get called by AK. Pray the river is an offsuit A or Q, or just a total brick.
I'd much rather have played this as a flat call pre, a check-call on flop, and check-evaluate on turn.
I had no clue how to play 4bet pots live.
I defaulted to my online play.
Hero cbets 125
V looks at my stack before calling.
Pot 657
Turn 3♥
Hero??
I was planning for a large turn bet something like 400+.
I chickened out the last second.
Hero bets 300
V calls
Pot 1257
Riv 6♣
The blankest blank.
Hero?? We have less than pot size bet left.
Gross spot. I’d check and call a small bet. If V really 3bets 10 percent of his range, he can have KQo, QJs, and QTs, as well as AQ, QQ+. V could bet the river with all those holdings. You’re gonna lose half the time but there is too much in the pot to fold.
I was planning for a large turn bet something like 400+.
I chickened out the last second.
Hero bets 300
V calls
Pot 1257
Riv 6♣
The blankest blank.
Hero?? We have less than pot size bet left.
Actually seems like a decent river card. The flush draws bricked. We block QQ. I think we'll usually have the best hand here.
If we bet big, we're mostly just getting snapped off by AA/KK, assuming he doesn't 5B those pre. He may not have any 5B range at all pre, but we started deep enough that he might have some 5B's.
If we bet small, it puts pressure on him to bluff-catch with some worse hands, and it's hard for him to raise, either for value or as a bluff, when the only value hands AA/KK beats is AQ/KQ, and we may not be 4B'ing those pre. I'd think even KK is going to have a hard time knowing what to do vs a small bet, and will mostly just call, not raise.
A lot of this comes down to how we range him. At low stakes, I think a lot of regs will 3B light, and when we're this deep, they may continue somewhat light versus a 4B when they have position. He's not always showing up with AA/KK, and won't always fold KQ or 99-JJ to a small bet when all the draws brick. He might occasionally look us up with AK without a heart or diamond.
If you bet small and get raised, it sucks, but I'd mostly fold, I think.
