2/5 ~ 7 handed, 2 players gone forever.
V is a reg, has been actively 3betting hero, over the past 3 hours at least 6+ 3b
GreatWhiteFishSo I'm late to the party here, and there is a lot that can be discussed on all streets, but I don't think you can speed past preflop.
Sitting there with AQs UTG facing a 3-bet from UTG+1, I think there are a few possibilities:
1) They're 3-betting a relatively standard range. In this case a call is probably the preferred action.
2) They're a nit. In this case AQs is not performing well. Our best options are mainly to fold or 4-bet as a bluff with some good blockers and postflop playability.
3) They're completely out of line. In this case the decision is more between calling and 4-betting purely for value.
Now I think this situation as presented is somewhere between #1 and #3. For that reason I'm leaning towards calling pre.
Bottom line, if you're 4-betting for value in this spot you're doing it because you think your opponent's range is wide enough that you will want to play for stacks on favorable flops/run-outs. At least that is the way I'm thinking about it.
All that's to say I may have played many streets differently, but if I arrive to this river against this opponent after taking this line...
I'm jamming river for value. Yes you value own yourself sometimes, but if you check or bet small he's mainly going to be jamming with all the hands that beat you anyway, and can you really fold against the villain as described?
We 4-bet him light because he was out of line. We got a favorable flop and a favorable run out. If we're playing this way I think we need to be looking to stack KQ, QJ, JJ, TT. Yes sometimes we will be beat. Yes submersible is correct that against 90% of opponents we're mostly dead when all the money goes in. We're betting he's the other 10%.
Otherwise call the 3-bet pre. That's my opinion anyway....
