Bottom set against a donk.
1/3 8 handed. 500 effective.
SB is unknown. 40 ish white guy.
LJ seems loose and passive but small sample size.
I should have a tight image.
There are 6 limps and I check in the BB with 22βs.
The pot is 20.
258rβ¦.SB donks 17, I raise to 55, LJ calls and SB folds.
The pot is 147.
258Jrβ¦.How should I proceed?
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LJ call seems strong squeezed between.
If he had A8, he didnβt like the jack
I would bet 100
I like a bet, but I might go a little smaller. Maybe $75 -- I want him to call. Let's hope he hits two pair.
Grunch:
PRE - seems fine.
FLOP - hmmmm...not sure if we're better off raising or flatting. Someone could have a higher set here. We don't necessarily want to give away our hand strength yet. We don't want to fold any bluffs.
TURN - As played, the LJ cold call of our flop raise is concerning. I think I'd proceed cautiously.
If we check and he has 76 he may just check back and fold river if his draw bricks. If he has 85 he blocks us from having 88 or 55, and can play his hand aggressively.
Don't love checking, so I'd probably bet small, around $75, to make sure he continues with his entire range. If he raises huge, it sucks, but I think we probably have to fold.
If he flats, I'd think we often have the best hand. As long as the river is just a brick, I'd stick the rest in, for a slight over-bet.
We need to try to get money in and not worrying about him folding or set over set.
Villain is in the SB, and most people are calling with any two preflop, although that is not optimal. So he can have all combinations of two pair, not just sets. He also might have raised 88 preflop.
I like betting turn for like $80-110. Maybe 2/3 pot range. Charge draws to see river. This is kinda a gross spot seeing a flop 6 ways bc better sets def going to be in there- at least 55 and 88, maybe player punts with 2 pair.
Anyone like iso pre with 22? I know itβs high variance and prolly not ideal but make it chunky pre like 25-30. See flop vs 1 or2 and you can rep a lot of big hands like AK/AQ/etcetc. Not sure what I do here but kinda like thinning field sometimes and playing with a better range vs villians as a way to bluff. If you made it say $25 here, you got an easy spot to stack off with flop as is- bc spr will be much lower post. Not sure itβs ideal or even great at 1/3 bc folks tend to overcall. If you do iso pre also- only person you gotta really worry about 3! Is the original limper generally.
I bet/jam $100 and jam every river. This is a great run out for deuces, the only issue is that there's a dearth of overpairs to pay us off but we're not so deep that I'm too worried about oversets.
I would like a better read on the LJ. These actions are if V is very loose passive.
I would bet 125 on the turn to get in stacks. With six limps, you probably get calls from 67s, 43s, 33-99, A8, even TT, and sometimes two pair.
Sometimes this is an overpair AA-99. Sometimes it is a set. Less often 85, 76, 43. Maybe an 8x hand. I don't see smaller pairs like 66 calling the raise, unless this player is really bad.
Would bet again. I prefer the smaller size 75-100 to boil the frog. And if we get raised consider a hero fold, but have to be careful in case V might be raising 2pr like J8.
I might just flat the donk. Board is fairly drawless and I'm cool drawing others in to build the pot that way. Plus, I'm not exactly thrilled about building a pot to possibly work towards getting in sizeable $500 stacks in a 7way limped pot with bottom set, especially against someone donking a PSB into eleventeen players.
I mean, what do we make of LJ's flat on the flop? Is this dood the worst player in the pool? Cuz otherwise I'm beginning to only see monsters (especially since there really aren't any real two pear combos here) or perhaps 76/43. Even JJ gets there on the turn (one of the few hands we were ahead of that could legit play this way).
Anyhoo, we still have a set, which is I guess a good hand, so I'd probably bet again to charge mainly OESD or the odd QQ+. So like $80? If he raises I'd seriously consider folding against a large percentage of players in my pool (and especially anyone aware of my image), but that's me.
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If all or a lot of money goes in, it seems more likely they'll fold worse or it'll be set over set.
Nothing wrong with letting this dish simmer. Let's not over-cook it.
At $500 effective in an eleventeen way limped pot on a fairly drawless board with no realistic two pear combos, this is also my take... unless dood is one of the bottom 5% players in the pool.
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This cold call is almost always an oesd. Sets will usually 3b flop and 88 might have raised pre. One pair hands like A8 and 99 should fold flop, and if they didn’t maybe they’ll keep putting in money.
I would pot turn and check most rivers.
I bet 125 on the turn and the LJ quickly folded. I guess he knew I meant business.
I think calling the big flop donk into many players on this dryish board is prudent. I have been overrating what seem to be play for stacks hands.