2/5: Mandatory table change?
2/5 on a Saturday afternoon in a very large casino with many, many tables.
Hero is seated on a 9-handed table with $700.
VillainA, to his immediate left is a 35/25 LAG, has a $1.5k stack, with a F3 of maybe 25%. He straddles every opportunity to $10.
VillainB, to VillainA's immediate left, is a 35/25 LAG, has a $1.5k stack, with a F3 of maybe 25%. He straddles every opportunity to $10.
Both VillainA and VillainB play aggressively postlop, and they also squeeze light a lot of the time.
The remaining players are a mix of stations and unimaginative weakish-TAGs, perhaps three of each, with mostly 100bbs each.
My question:
(1) would it be mandatory to change tables at the earliest opportunity, and
(2) is it generally possible be even +EV on this table?
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With the Straddle on, your stack is only 70BB's. So you're not going to be playing a lot of hands. Actually....almost no hands. So if you move to a table that's not being straddled, you can play more hands.
If there are opponents that intimidate you, to the point you don't feel you're playing winning poker, then you should probably move.
But there is +Ev at the table we're at. Just gotta find the imbalance and exploit it.
Your villain's here are playing too many hands. You have 70BB. It should be lol-easy to get them pot committed with an inferior hand. Just wait until you have AJ+/88+ or better and get it in.
Yes, move - your opens will be attacked more often and it will be hard to play normal poker. You could change seats if they are over-aggressive and spewy. If you could get seated with the lags on your right, so you have position, now you can 3bet, float or pressure them instead.
I think itβs always going to be profitable with bad players in the game, but you do have to navigate around the good players.
You could change seats if they are over-aggressive and spewy. If you could get seated with the lags on your right, so you have position, now you can 3bet, float or pressure them instead..
This is wrong.
You want the aggro-balls on your left. If they're driving the action, then everything starts with them. Which means it ends with whoever is on their right.
They act, the whole table acts, and then you get to act last in response to their aggressive action.
Yes, move - your opens will be attacked more often and it will be hard to play normal poker. You could change seats if they are over-aggressive and spewy. If you could get seated with the lags on your right, so you have position, now you can 3bet, float or pressure them instead.I think itβs always going to be profitable with bad players in the game, but you do have to navigate
These guys should be beatable if you donβt insist on playing βnormalβ poker.
In my experience there are 2 keys to winning in this dynamic. The first is to realize that since you arenβt likely to see as many flops as you want, you need to wait patiently for big handsβor at least big enough to push a preflop edge for stacks.
Secondly, when you do get a hand, you want to use these guysβ aggression against them. Itβs up to you to figure out when to sandbag a big hand and go for a backraise or limp/3bet, when to trap, or when to just play βnormallyβ with a hand you intend to 4bet if someone 3bets you, but once you pick up a real hand you should often be able to pile it in.
I heard a saying once on this forum that goes: βrock beats fish, LAG beats rock, TAG beats LAG.β LAGs are not always winners. Be patient and you should find ways to beat them.
Yes to both questions.
I'm staying put and loving it. Of course, I'd have more money in my pocket just in case π
I might try to move to the other side of these guys -- kind of depends on the rest of the table.
What is F3? Never seen this before. Is OP saying there's 2 players on his table who both have 3b % of 25?
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if hero is ABC style only, then yes probably best to move. if hero is decent hand reader and capable, then hero should stay. take a ton of notes on villains so you have something to go off of. Once you get to a point you feel like you have a decent handle on how they play, start will small exploits
This is wrong.
You want the aggro-balls on your left. If they're driving the action, then everything starts with them. Which means it ends with whoever is on their right.
They act, the whole table acts, and then you get to act last in response to their aggressive action.
This is wrong.
They are still acting after you. After the whole table acts and you do something theyβre waiting to jack it up, float or whatever to make you miserable.
Just because you say it emphatically and with confidence doesnβt make it true. Please understand that you are giving your fair share of bad advice. Itβs just that nobody wants to argue. But this is your worst advice yet.
This is wrong.They are still acting after you. After the whole table acts and you do something theyβre waiting to jack it up, float or whatever to make you miserable.Just because you say it emphatically and with confidence doesnβt make it true. Please understand that you are giving your fair share of bad advice. Itβs just that nobody wants to argue. But this is your worst advic
Hang on......
.....one more minute.....
.....ok there.
Sorry, I needed a moment to put my eyeballs back in my head after I read your post.
It's a well-known exploit to have maniacs on your left. When they "jack it up", you act last. If you're worried about what the maniac might do, then don't re-open the action. Pretty simple.
you are giving your fair share of bad advice. Itβs just that nobody wants to argue
Then don't argue. State civilly WHY I'm wrong, and we'll have a discussion about it. If people want to call names and accuse me of trolling....I'll respond in kind.
It's really up to you how this discussion goes buddy.
Whether you want the LAGs on your left or right depends on how LAG, table stacks, and how the rest of the table is adjusting.
You could search the forum, too, if Google is too much for you.
Well, at least we know you can use Google.
Maybe a seat change button, so all the aggressive players won't be to your left. You could get a table change. It also might not be a bad situation as is.
It's 100% fine to leave any table if you don't like the way they play and if there's easier money sure go for it, but these guys may be fun to play against if you're in the mood.
You need to drop off all your marginal hands. You could overlimp and overcall with the intention of backraising all your big hands and then once you've done that a couple of times, split your big hand range between playing in a standard manner preflop and trapping. You'll need to do some calling down OOP of course, which always sucks, but is easier if you bloat the pot preflop.
I think it helps to decide your goal before you sit down. Is this a maximize-profit session where youβre willing to grind for eight hours, or a shorter focused session where youβre trying to get reps in tough spots and improve? Once the goal is set, itβs easier to allocate your mental resources and choose the table that matches it.

