Snap Fold right?!

Sizing is bad
Less on flop, more on turn is standard/better.
Yea it's a fold, v seems to be overvalue fish.
He has all the Ax 2p, Axdd, and maybe some slowplayed sets.
I guess villian can also have random ax that floated flop.

Agree with previous poster, biggest issue with this hand is bet sizing.

Probably not cbetting this 4 way, but if I am it’s going to be for $15-20.

(Before V jams) what range are we assigning V on the turn? Probably some flush draws, some Qx, 67, maybe the occasional Ax float. Are any of these folding if we bet pot or even make a slight overbet?

I think cbet on flop is fine IP, but it should be much smaller multiway.

As others have said, the turn sizing is really bad. Check on turn is way better than betting small. Betting big is probably better than both. You basically never want to bet small IP, especially versus this guy.

As played, it has to be a call versus this villain IMO. You beat value here (AXdd is very possible, as are some overplays) and bluffs are also possible.

Bet more pre, maybe 30. Punish the limpers. Scooping 14 rake free is a good result. Bet bigger so you go heads up.

AP, multiway flops are tough to bluff. Check or bet 20.

AP, bet more on the turn. Obv fold to the jam.

Not over-thinking this one
Your flop bet represents top pair across the population. Your tiny turn bet says my queens are not happy with this ace.

You have to consider the story you are telling with your bet-sizing and what you want to accomplish. Villain probably thought any ace was good. If he was betting strong value, would he not bet smaller - he’s trying to push you out. Call

You hit your hand and folded. That can’t be a good habit to get into.

Always calling in this revenge mode situation.

Bigger pre, not cbetting flop.

So far I have gotten two clear calls and two snap folds in the responses. Interesting.

Imo I see that some that say fold are leaning that way because no one in 1/3 is xr almost 2.5x pot without a hand that beats TPTK, while others think the player description and table dynamics are leaning towards a call.

FWIW I did range V on either A8, A5, or some sort of Axdd. I don't think he has a massive combo draw liek JTdd, or T9dd, or 67dd, because I feel like I would have heard from that on the flop?

Getting wildly divergent responses that are all extremely sure of themselves is kind of a hallmark of posting on this board IMO.

I think the player description you provided is very relevant, but I would also say that the bet sizing produces a dynamic where you are more likely to see bluffs and overplays. On the flop, you bet 2/3 pot multiway, which projects strength -- players will not bluff you or raise for protection/thin value. On the turn, you bet 1/3 pot heads up, which projects weakness -- any ace might look the nuts to this guy, and he might believe he has FE with some weird bluff. If we size up on turn, it makes folding more viable, because we are continuing to tell a story of strength and the guy is raising anyway.

Also think it's worth considering that you are not dead (you can hit any K, Q, or potentially 8) versus the value range you are assigning.

Obviously, it's never a huge mistake to fold a non-nutted hand to a giant raise, but I continue to think that live dynamics and reads make this a good spot to station off.

Yeah, weird spot because HHs show this guy can overvalue.

Honestly, this deep and against a guy who might not really have a grasp on hand values, I'd be tempted to check the turn back just so I'm not put in a stoopid spot. I think in the end the fold is fine, but it's not impossible for him to have Axdd. If I'm not willing to put in my whole stack in a stoopid spot with a mediocre hand (like TP), then I typically prioritize getting to showdown for a reasonable price over protecting against hands I'm typically a 4:1++ fave over.

ETA: 3ways with a fish in I'm not even sure I'm cbetting this flop. If I am, I'd bet very small to keep their ranges super wide which I could then perhaps barrel them off on the turn.

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Grunch:

PRE - raise bigger. I would have made it at least $25.

FLOP - just check back here, when we're multi-way and don't have a strong hand or good draw.

TURN - now that we've made TPTK, think I just slow down and check, not bet. I don't think many worse hands call, but a lot of those hands will stab on the river if we check back.

As played, turn check-raises tend to be under-bluffed. Ace-high boards tend to be under-bluffed. Massive over-bets tend to be under-bluffed. I'd think V never has worse than aces up here. He may have flopped bottom or middle set with 55 or 88, and is praying you have AQ.

It's not impossible he shows up with a hand like 76dd, but that's just one combo. Other than that exact hand, it's hard for low stakes recs to find enough bluffs in this spot.

V probably thought you folded KK because he didn't think you'd be able to fold AQ.

best case scenario is AXdd imo

That’s what I like about it.

When I first started playing it took awhile to realize others didn’t think like me. I would never ever do that in this spot, so why would he do that? Shifting to the discovery of reading people, I began to learn what others thought and use that against them.

In a game of incomplete information, there will always be several solutions and never a perfect solution. I learned what the population was thinking and became a strong player.

But I’m not expecting weak players on this forum. I know what the bad players are thinking, I come here to find out what the good players are thinking.

I didn’t expect the ‘blowback’ of people out to prove something, attacking ideas, etc. I’m here to share ideas & listen to others.

I’m already winning, no matter how much you dislike my ideas, but I came here to win more. It’s mostly working, you guys have some good ideas at times.

It’s a little frustrating that someone can think you’re an idiot, because you would play a hand of poker differently than they would. I don’t judge people like that. It’s new to me.

I'm also not in love with the sizing on flop or turn.

AXdd is a bit optimistic when opponent was getting a perfectly good price to call down. Yes it's possible but I'd discount it quite a bit. I'd also discount AQ a bit for how passively it was played, but that's possible. A8, A5 are obvious possibilities. Slow-played sets are all possible. With Kd in your hand, pure flush draws are now pretty unlikely (JTdd is now double gutted plus flush draw so could be in there). Check-call flop, check-raise turn is very rarely a bluff although the Ace does mean making a play can be more likely. Think I let this go on balance