2 3 sizing question
Hey all, got a pretty easy hand to go over preflop decision and sizing on flop+turn.
Ok we have $700-800 at a 2-3 game that can be splashy. First 30 min at table so no great reads. Villain is a mawg who is talkative and seems like a splashy rec.
Ok villian opens button to $15 in unopened pot. We have A-10o in bb and make it $65. Think we ahead of his button range and plays nicely as a 3! Fold. Do you like the 3 bet or nah? It seems most folks in live cash never 3! This spot. Wanna say villain started hand with 500-600.
Flop AAJ. Pot is $132. I cbet $40 and he quickly calls. Turn is a 5. I continue with $75 into 212. He makes it 300 fairly quickly and I tank call. Kinda go in my head- if he has a better Ax, just a cooler lol. River blank. I start with a check and he quickly checks back and we scoop. Do you like how hand is played. Turn was kinda scary bc I’m like- what’s he raising with that isn’t better- only
Thought he thought I was weak after hand and made raise as a play.
Villian bitched after hand asking why I 3! And he had me beat preflop lol which kinda made it awkward lol. I’m like pretty standard 3! Fold spot duh. Still Don’t understand why most cash players in games I play are so passive post with calls instead of3bets in certain. Spots. Makes me question if I’m doing something wrong bc I’m 3! Much much wider than most and prolly in spots I shouldnt bc people call far too often with just Broadway cards. Also think I c bet far too often which seem to get called and I get wrecked betting 2 streets as a bluff and failing to fire river most times bc folks are so sticky.
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Just my style maybe, but I defend from the BB, because I’m OOP and don’t want to bloat the pot getting less info. My 3Bets are always from in position, except AA or KK which 3Bet from every position. Yes, it’s good to 3bet at low stakes, if you have a plan. It doesn’t play great as a 3Bet/fold - because you have to play post-flop & when you get called, post flop play becomes difficult.
As played, got lucky on the flop - two aces flop in this situation less than 1% of the time. I honestly don’t think you realize that most of the time you will miss everything and be stuck playing a mediocre hand OOP.
You can never consider yourself behind with such an unlikely strong hand.
You tank call 300 afraid you’re beat - I tank call trying to make villain think I’m weak. You need to bet the river - you can’t count on villain to put the money in for you.
Would have played it differently, but you got a good result. Your action induced villain to try & take it away from you on the turn.
Takeaways:
Yes, be aggressive - but don’t do it with a mediocre hand OOP
When you hit a flop that only happens 1 out of 139 times, never think you’re behind
A main exploit is attacking wide-openers - yes, you can get away with 3Betting light at low stakes, because it’s low stakes - but once the better players realize you’re a wide 3Better, you will get exploited. 99% of the time, you won’t flop a monster
You’re right, players call 3Bets too often, so attack with strong hands
ATo is not a strong hand
I think it's a good 3bet - we want dominated Ax to call, KQ, KJ/KT/etc. Now theoretically if he folds all those hands to a 3bet we want to just call here with AT and start 3betting pure garbage considering he overfolds but I don't think he does. OTF - I think on broadway boards like this I would size up - turn same thing. As played its tricky since you bet the turn small - he's more likely to bluff raise you, but you know these players better then anyone. Good call but think the turn is really close/live read
It's a difficult question to answer when the situation or read on our opponent can have an impact. For me, it's less about the cards I'm holding, and more about what I think of my opponent.
If I think the BTN is opening too wide, I'll be 3B'ing with a pretty wide range. I also try to remember to not defend my BB by playing too wide a range and too passively.
As for the actual combo of ATo - it's one of those hands that may be strong enough to raise or 3B in some situations, but we'll often get into trouble with it post-flop, when we're dominated by better AX or make a meh top pair.
As for this hand - I think 3B'ing pre is fine. I don't care what V says after showdown. I think your c-bet is fine. Sizing is fine.
If you think you c-bet too much, you probably are. Consider checking more from OOP. I wouldn't check this flop necessarily, but I do a lot of checking from OOP as the PFR when I'm HU in SRP's.
I'm not sure about the turn bet. This isn't a spot I've spent much time analyzing. My initial gut reaction is your small bet is probably correct when we're either way ahead or way behind.
When he raises, I'd be concerned. Many low-stakes recs are under-bluffing when they raise turn after we 3B pre and c-bet flop. And I'd think a board of AAJ5 is going to be even more under-bluffed.
I don't think I'd fold, though. I'd think an IP opponent holding a full house or just better AX wouldn't raise, he'd just flat call. His line doesn't make a ton of sense.
The real question IMO is if it's better to flat call the turn or just jam all in. I guess it's better to just flat. I doubt worse hand ever calls a jam.
River- I think I gotta check bc it keeps his bluffs thinking maybe they can get a river fold. I think leading the river- allows him to play perfect- call with better or cooler situation where he loses or chops.
Turn- I was never folding A-10o in this spot but it def was like this is going to be lame if he has better Ax. Way too much hand for me to fold. I feel most villians don’t find the bluff in this spot when I bet flop and turn even if small, it’s setting up a big river bet. Think villian should just call turn and call river if he thinks I have a bluff. Raising turn is kinda goofy bc it allows me to play perfect.
Also agree the raise on turn is so damn underbluffed. That’s why I was worried.