Queen's Up vs thick value line

Don't think pre is very good, even less so vs 5x.

You said he's straightforward postflop so trying to understand how to range him. I don't think he plays AQ this way - sets could take this line, KJ?, AThh? I think it's probably a fold if he's straightforward, KJ got there - would need him to get aggro with hearts but I just don't see many combos that need to do that.

Preflop: Tight/passive UTG open range is pretty strong I suppose but we are capping our range by calling here, even though I think we will be able to float this guy more widely given his tendencies.

Flop: I would rather make a polar bet here, at least PSB. With H's image, we're getting passive V to call too widely quite often. It's not at all clear what small bets we have here when V checks.

Ap Turn: We have to overbet here. The flat call of V's raise is a pretty big mistake. V has obviously turned more equity with all his combo draws Ahxh and KhJh. There are few non-Q/T rivers we want to see really. We have to deny equity now.

Ap River: obv a terrible card for H. V has all AA and AQ. We have equal KJ I guess. I would fold against this V even though we may be getting the proper "MDR" price to call.

I mean we're terribly dominated preflop, but for this price and in position and against these guys, ok I guess. But I fold.

I'm fine with the flop.

Not so sure I'm going so big on the turn as it looks like we're up against a broadway gutshot and we don't want to lose that.

This line is incredibly nutted, especially against our large turn sizing, imo. So even though we block them and there's very few combos, against an unimaginative player who isn't doing this with like KJhh/etc., this is just always QQ/TT, no? Whether or not I'm good enough to fold at the table on the turn versus the river is another story, but we should probably just exploitatively fold the turn, imo.

River card makes this a trivial fold cuz now a huge percentage of hands he could have been getting out-of-line with (although he isn't) get there (AA/AQ/KJhh/etc.).

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id just jam turn. if he has a set, i get stacked, so be it.

pre is fine vs someone who is going to play face up post. because you have position, id plan on floating a lot of flops and then just stealing the pot on the turn. people who cbet 100% and then give up afterwards are basically donators. that said, your reads are often way off so idk.

I think you want to bet more on the flop, assuming you aren't betting JT.

As NOM1 said, I probably shove turn and if he has a set then gg.

Not sure about river ... I can see some possible worse hands, but assuming he's overvaluing AK/AJ rather than bluffing J9 there's probably not enough even though you don't need to be good that often.

Preflop we are calling to flop big and get paid off by a premium that can't let go.
Sometimes you get coolered.

Consistent with the game plan, I think we shove turn over the c/r. Could be QQ/TT but he's also gonna call with AQ+ and the semi bluffing draws, which is like the "basic" form of creative play, ooo I picked up a fd to go with my gutter+ocs let me try this thing out!

AP I'd call river. Not a great card but given the tendency to overplay we should win often enough

Preflop fine albeit borderline.

Flop bet at least 50.

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Preflop I understand. Never squeezing this player's EP open with this hand. Folding would obviously be fine, but I see the attraction of playing vs two bad players in position with a reasonable hand.

Yes flop can be larger, you're not trying to get rich from AK here. All overpairs, Qx and KJ call a big bet and that's a good chunk of his range.

I would probably have called the turn as well, but seeing other replies they have convinced me that jamming is better. If he has one of the two combinations of big sets good on him. Chances are he doesn't. Maybe he shows up with 55 from time to time but a straightforward right player who's trying to be solid probably folds that a lot UTG.

River has to be a fold, the only hands you beat are AKhh/AJhh. AA/AQ/KJ all got there.

It’s hard to see how Villain as described has anything other than QQ AA or AKhh.

So yeah, jamming turn probably is best though I highly doubt he TV folds AA, which I’ll guess is why this thread exists.

I see the lines, that’s my edge
Villain check-raised a near pot-sized turn bet. Straightforward player, I fold turn.

I don’t think the 2h helped him, it’s just that now he decided to spring the trap. The check-raise is such a strong play, I use it mostly for bluffs. Straightforward is not bluffing.

I agree that if you’re going to continue in this hand, you should shove the turn. If I had a different read of villain (very possible) as a tricky reg or something maybe, but you describe a guy trying to play well.

Again, I never know how the population reads you. If you’re playing a lot of hands, villain could be making a move. I depend heavily on reads and image - lot of youngsters want to bluff the old guy. I join the ‘shove turn’ crowd if I think I’m ahead.

I don’t worry about ranging as much, because the line tells me that villain likely has me beat. It doesn’t matter what he has, unless he’s overplaying something worse.

Folding a strong hand is never easy, but shoving when you don’t know what to do is not a good plan. Calling off on the river would be even worse.

I make ‘nit folds’ against charging players like this, because I will outplay them over time. I think of this like putting all my money on red. Why would I want to risk it all on one play, when (unlike roulette) I have an edge in this game.

A lot of posters on here, I can see the progression and what’s likely to happen. However, with you banana - I never know what the ‘reveal’ will bring.

On the turn, there is a little over half pot left on a drawy board if you call. I don't think you can flat call. It should really be a shove, as he can have lots of draws and AA/KK. Would he flat call or shove with a draw rather than use this sizing? If your read is only doing this with a set, I guess you could fold.

Result: I actually fold river on this card thinking I can only give him AA, AQ, QQ or TT that plays this way... He shows TT.

You flopped top two, were behind the whole time and kept half your stack, "only" losing about 70BB. That's a great result.

Your read of your opponent was absolutely bang on (I'll leave others to comment on that...) His premium did hold up this time, and he didn't manage to stack top two.

Grunch:

Reads - he's from Malta? Seriously? What are the odds?

PRE - whatever.

FLOP - seems fine. Could see arguments for a bigger bet.

TURN - must bet bigger. At least pot it.

As played, I'd probably 3B-jam. We got top two and he obviously likes his hand.

RIVER - oof.

I dunno what to do. I guess call, given your read

Not surprised he had a set that he raised small the psb rather than shoving. He should have shoved and you probably would have called that. Calling the raise and then folding the river is throwing away money. He is not likely to check the river and your hand has few outs to improve.

This is nonsense - not when three of the hands you hope to be up against in your decision to call the turn now overtake you. Calling the raise and folding a blank river you might be right

This is a hand where I'm not convinced our reads are going to be very useful. But I think your ranging of V on the river shows gaps in your logic.

He's probably not pure checking flop with AA/KK. Probably not pure checking AQ. He probably isn't pure checking the one combo of TT, unblocking top pair. He may not pure check the one combo of QQ, unblocking all our potential draw combos. He's probably not opening UTG with 22. Maybe not 55.

We heavily block his thick value range on the turn. When he x/r's, I'd heavily weight his range towards worse value hands and AXhh.

He could jam river for 1/2 pot with AXhh. Yeah, AA and AQ also get there. It's an annoying spot, easily avoided by 3B-jamming turn. Yes, we lose to QQ/TT on the turn, but that's just two combos. On the river, we lose to more, and only beat AXhh.

Straightforward nits usually don't care about being oop when they hold AA according to my experience. He'd have just bet the flop.

I'd have bet bigger on the flop if I were you, then bet around 60-65 on the turn. Reraise is sus, but I'd just rip it in due to low SPR. If it is a set, so be it.