AA Facing Min-3!

This is one I've struggled with. I think it's situation dependent based on the image I've created of myself and the temperature of the table.

To the average denizen of 1/3, if you raise any sort of 3x bet, you've placed your cards face up on the table.

I've tried to look cheeky and min raise back. It's never resulted in the V jam I was hoping for.

Sometimes I just call. I think that's what I have to do if V thinks I'm a nit and will 4B with only 1 hand. A couple of times has it resulted in the hoped for V big bet or even shoving flop with a worse TPTK.

When my image is LAG, a couple of times I've raised an overbet in the hopes it would appear I do not want a call. I did that last week and got the V jam I hoped for. He had AA for the chop. (sigh).

cut out 40 and argue that you meant to call

Don't do this.

Loling at the angle in thread.

I hate minclicks in cash. I get that they're BAU in tourney-land. But they're just tilting for some reason in cash games.

So instead of my normal 4! to 100-110, watching the nit fold, and kicking myself, why not spread the irritation and minclick it back to 45? Laugh when they fold.

I guess we can call too, despite OOP. Pot'll be 60-rake, 370 back... Eh, I don't like 6:1 SPR either, even with the bestest pair. If H calls, I imagine it's a check on the flop?

Online, I would make it 45 and hope villain wants to get into a clicking war.

Live, I would probably just make it 100. I actually think it's a pretty good spot to 4b light because villain is really polar and either has the nuts or a hand that is just messing around.

I obviously limp in cuz that's what I do.

If we just sneaky flat, the SPR will be about 6 and we'll be OOP. Certainly not impossible to get in stacks postflop, but might not be the easiest either.

Meanwhile, we've just been 3bet in an EP vs EP spot, so very good chance he actually has a very good hand. And while a bunch of opponents are capable of folding quite a lot to a 4bet in LLSNL, I'm not sure someone we're assuming is bad with a big hand can. So I'd 4bet. Prolly just to $90 or something to setup an easy play for stacks postflop? I guess some argument for going larger if we think he's never going to fold preflop, but going too large and getting a fold would be a horrendous result.

GcluelessNLnoobG

+1

Gpleasedon'tbethatanglingguyG

4B to $80 and play postflop, flatting oop at this stack depth too risky.

I think it depends on the table, but in my pool I would have to call. Betting 90-100 sounds good in theory, but this guy folds. The min raise from v is likely trying to find out where they’re at, not an indicator of great strength.

If he popped it 45 or more, I would 4Bet as that would be legit strength. But I would call now and then lead again on most flops (40-50) and see what that triggers.

Most players call 3bets too often, but 4bets are kinda like the turn (it gets real) and players think they’re saving money by getting out early with their second best hands.

45 and say *click*

…makes it 100 and prays fish will jam thinking hero has AK.

There’s no reason it 4b large at this stack depth. Theory says we should make it around 70, I could see going as high as 80 but it’s gonna be really easy to get all the money in regardless.

I don’t think calling the min raise and keeping the spr large in a situation where we usually have to stack off is a good idea.

Yeah, there are problems with flat calling. You have reversed implied odds. If you lose, you usually get stacked. However, sometimes you will only get a cbet if you are way ahead. It is hard to build or control the pot OOP.

This doesn't build the pot that much, but has the advantage that villain won't know if you have a big pair or are messing around.

Grunch:

4B to $75-$90 and pray he 5B jams.

Doubtful he's got QQ+ here. More like TT-JJ and AK. We don't want him to fold, nor do we want to lay him a good price to see a flop IP and good IO to stack us.

Starting $400 eff, a raise to $75-$90 allows enough stack depth for there to be the perception of fold equity if he jams. If he wants to play a big pot with TT/JJ/AK, and jams, awesome. If not, also fine.

Calling and having an SPR of 6 is not too uncomfortable. But I feel like you do better getting money in the pot if you make a small 4b like $60. Instead of trying to be cute and either go for c/r or donk flop.
Understandable that 4b feels like showing the goods but you can do this with a few more hands, occasionally mix in some bs like ATs if V is going to make the bs mini 3b.

I raised to 80. Villain said "let me reconsider this" and folded. I said I didn't have anything and someone said "sure".

I think he was 3-betting light or maybe had AQ. I don't think a 1/3 rec would fold TT/JJ, as he would hope to hit a set or that I had AK.

Didn't think the EV was that good of flat calling. Sometimes, 1/3 players won't fold QQ/AK, but I don't think he had much.

Exactly as I expected in my pool

I think you played it fine. You added 11 BBs to your stack uncontested OOP; it's hardly an awful result.

A little less than 10xBB with rake, jackpot drop, and tip.

Yes, not sure the expectation versus hands he folds to the 4! is that much higher, considering the times I don't get any more in anyway and the times I get stacked.

Then, if I click it back or something, I indicate I may have a big hand without building the pot much.

If I don't make a decent sized reraise, I lose value if he does have QQ/KK or whatever.

It didn't feel like a good result though, but hard to get much when he probably is messing around with some marginal hand.

They take rake and drop even if you don't see a flop?

You have to pay all that pre without a flop?

Do they not take rake if there is no flop? It is pretty infrequent to have a significant pot decided preflop, so I haven't noticed.

Our room most definitely does not take any rake or BBJ / high hand promo drop if a flop isn't seen, and my guess is that would be the norm for most rooms. You might want to confirm with your room.

GcluelessrakedroppingnoobG

Just to be technical, 30 is not a min 3bet. You raised the $3 blind to $15. That’s a $12 raise. The min 3 bet is therefore $27, not $30. Not that it makes that much difference though.