I play both boards
I play both boards

I play both boards

1/3 NLHE 8 handed

We're at a table full of fish as there's a convention in town. People are mostly playing very soft. Lots of coolers and lol_he_got_there hands.

V1 - Unknown mawg cowboy. Sat down with 200 and has run pure. Been betting large and stabbing but also trapped one hand (sort of). Very active and high VPIP.

HH1: H straddle UTG, V1 limps BB HU, H to 25 with ATo, V1 calls with 94dd. T-8-6r, check H cbet V calls. Turn T-8-6-7 dd FD. V checks, H barrels small, V calls. River T-8-6-7-9 no flush. V leads 3/4 pot. H calls and chops.

HH2: V1 opens EP, competent friend with 9c9s in BB 3!, V1 calls with AKcc. 7c-7s-3d friend cbet large V1 calls. Turn 7c-7s-3d-3c. Friend shoves for pot, V1 calls. River Tc V1 wins back door flush.

V2 - Seemingly first time player or some kind of raw begginer MAWG. Somewhat tight pre and spazzy post.

HH3: fish opens, V2 calls OTB, bad LAG kid squeezes from SB, both call. 3-ways V2 IP 3BP to 9-6-3r. kid cbets, fish AI with AQo short stack, V2 reshoves, spazzy kid folds. A-K high good at the river.

HH4: UTG straddles, everyone limps, V2 limps BTN with AJs, SB to 30 also has AJs, folds to V2 OTB who calls. A-blank-blank. SB checks, V2 overbets 100 into 70. SB calls. Turn and River A-blank-blank-blank-blank and they both slow down checking it down and chopping.

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7-way 10$ bomb pot, we have A Q

Flop 70 -

Board 1: A 6 3

Board 2: Q T T

Checks to H in HJ who bets 50, V2 shoves 400 next to act in CO, folds to V1 in MP who check re-shoves for 750... We cover closing the action in HJ.

28 June 2026 at 06:28 AM
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i would gii vs 1 and fold vs 2

i think stab size is too big


TLDR: don't lead, fold.

It's ok to play for only one pot when you're nutty on 1. You're not even close to that.

Stab size is not only too big, it should never have happened. You win at DBBP by not losing anything but your ante all day, except for that one or two hands when you win a big pot.

Possible hands you're against

B1: in order of likelyhood, set, 2P, FD, QQ, AK, AX, OESD. I'm discounting all but the first 3 based on the willingness of 2 recs to GII. You're only ahead of the FD, and your best hope is that by your description of V1, he could be on the FD. Fortunately, you don't have to consider V has a worse A with a NFD. I'm not willing to risk my stack with TPGK.

B2: in order of likelihood, TX, QQ, QX. There's so few possible hands it means at least 1 V has to be on B1. You block QQ, which is a hand you hope for on B1. So ignore it. But you need one of 2 Qs or the last As to beat TX. No reasonable person is betting stacks with a Q unless it's QT. I'm not willing to risk my stack with TPTK.

The most likely chances both Vs are playing 1 board come down to them both playing TX. Next most likely is that both are on B1 with a set and FD. Low odds of that.

The only thing in your favor is that they both appear to be recs not aware of DBBP dynamics and might be doing something dumb.

I reluctantly fold.


Stabbing with our hand and in our position seems fine. Not sure about the size we should use. I think we could either go smaller, like 1/3-1/2 pot and evaluate what happens, or we can use this big size and possibly go into check down mode if we get more than one caller.

As played, it looks like V2 has an ace, Tx, or is on a spade draw. Seems pretty unlikely V1 is going to check-re-jam facing this action with a worse hand than ours, unless he has something like KJss. Pretty straightforward fold.


Not sure how much sub. has played NLHE DBBP, and wouldn't be shocked if he's played a bunch of PLO DBBP (where most AQ here is trash).

I do agree that the stab size is too big. I think it's fine for our hand, but so few hands want to go this big it can't be good.

I also agree I'd call vs. one player ... but I don't think it's a snap fold vs. two. There's a non-trivial chance they are both fighting over the QTT board. You might even need to just shrug call when you don't have the Q because you unblock Q* hands from one of them.

There is a very high probability that someone has a T, or 66/22, so you often have a small chance to win on one board ... but AQ is still a huge hand on the other board, and it's much less likely that V1 has AK (although V2 having AK and V1 having Tx is more possible).

If you had 500 I'd probably shrug call, if you were all 1k deep I'd shrug fold ... as it is, I'm much less sure it's a fold than anyone else. This is also one of those spots where you call and they show JT and 66 but you still don't know if it was a bad call.


I would play as fold, noting profile of Villains makes it closer than otherwise would be given they will both have a lighter stack off threshold w/ random Tx than they should. Decent % chance you are chopping here vs Tx and Tx or win TTQ side when both have monsters other board, but is extremely unlikely you are scooping and reasonable amount of the time you are facing Tx and lose other board.

Flop sizing note, would use a smaller sizing. Not groundbreaking but exploitatively against mega fish-centric calling station lineups using larger sizing w/ top end hands here. Vs competent lineups would use balanced smaller sizing.


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I decide they've both been gambling and are complete beginners that just have no clue. So I call. V1 has AA and V2 has KTo and I get scooped. Was thinking this is a better call than heads up as I usually have the best hand on one board.


is more complicated than i realized bc of side pot. would save the headache and fold in real time since there are multiple ways you can end up with close to 0% here and you have what 8th and 17th nuts? the only saving grace is its very difficult to be dead vs one hand so the side pot helps you tremendously to realize your equity in the main (which is now very bloated bc of sizing)

would stab much smaller too and accept that usually mediocre 2 way hands perform better as bluffs / catchers vs one than multiple

had a whole post typed up that it was horrendous until i saw actual stack sizes when i started trying to run an ev calc and i have changed my mind i think. without doing infinite calculations that honestly im not going to do for free, i think its somewhat - decently bad but not catastrophic. there are publically available (free!) double board calculators available fwiw.


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I decide they've both been gambling and are complete beginners that just have no clue. So I call. V1 has AA and V2 has KTo and I get scooped. Was thinking this is a better call than heads up as I usually have the best hand on one board.

Got here late, but saw this coming from the beginning, because I’m a jack of all trades and a master of none. You have likely bluff catchers on both boards, but it looks so pretty.

Most players are continuing when they lock up one board. This is more like PLO where you need at least a draw to the nuts and you have a couple of mediocre hands.

Even complete beginners know their ten is likely good and though AA is surprising, a flush draw would be a threat to Doyle’s trouble hand

Again, I think it’s flawed thinking in a family pot to think you have the best hand on one of the boards. It’s probably not terrible as you could improve, but I think you should lean on locking up one board before getting too involved.

My favorite game has always been Omaha 8 (though it’s so rare that I can find it being spread), where mostly I lock up the low and freeroll the scoop. With no more than that strategy, you can crush the average player.

I think it’s also flawed thinking that you have a better chance against two players. Your winning percentage always goes down facing more than one player. You win a bigger pot when you win vs multiple players and that makes up for the losses just doesn’t resonate with me. All I see that I will lose more often in a crowd.


by submersible m

is more complicated than i realized bc of side pot. would save the headache and fold in real time since there are multiple ways you can end up with close to 0% here and you have what 8th and 17th nuts? the only saving grace is its very difficult to be dead vs one hand so the side pot helps you tremendously to realize your equity in the main (which is now very bloated bc of sizi

I don't know what your simming but I did a Monte Carlo on two ranges of [TX, AA, QQ, QT, 66, 33, A6, AK, AJ, AT, A3, 63, KJss, J9ss, KQss] and came up with +88$ EV which is pretty rough considering the variance but +EV. I ran it again assuming one V has to have a naked T and it gave similar results. Result was literally one of the worst case scenarios. (We've seen on guy stack off with AK-high as per the HH). And yes, before you say anything, they have every. single. combo. of. TX.


think the range is too optimistic for both (AJ pure) and particularly the second guy

would think some amount of time he leads out or folds after this action the bottom whatever percentile of that range

you are welcome to disagree but as you make the ranges tighter (eliminating aj dropped the ev signif in the chatgpt simming i did) its going to get worse. again the sidepot isn't really the problem, its just the main that we're really concerned with. it does look fairly close. am sort of hesitant to trust llm math for obvious reasons but seems ok just eyeballing it. have ended up around +20$ on the call using:
$400 jammer range: every Tx, AA, QQ, 66, 33, A6, A3, 63, KJss, J9ss, KQss
$750 cold-jammer range: T9+, AA, QQ, 66, 33, A6, A3, KJss, J9ss, KQss

guess its ok then

i would be iffy about how accurate that is


This seems like overplaying on a DBBP. A lot of people do that, which makes them profitable if you play them well. You have a strong hand, but it isn't usually good against this action.


would fold this hand.


Without considering all the side pot math, in a three-way bomb pot you're risking your whole stack to win half of someone else's. You'd better be good A LOT, and you're not here.

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