2/5 top two on scary board, multiway. Line check.
Hey looking for some feedback on my line in this hand and whether or not river shove is too thin among other things.
2/5 6 handed.
v1 (550) - relatively new to the table, been raising and 3 betting a lot (could just be a good run of cards). did a poor bluff where he c bet flop, checked turn and bet river and got called by ace high on j103710 but other than that seems pretty competent.
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EP limps, v1 CO 25, button calls 25, hero SB KQo calls, EP calls. 4 ways to the flop. Should i be calling here, folding or 3-betting? Online this would be an auto fold or 3-bet since i don't think i have a sb flatting range but live im not so sure what the best play here is.
Flop ($110): KhQhJh. Hero leads $80. EP folds, v1 calls, button folds. I notice that v1 seems fairly comfortable. Better to check/call, check/raise here? or is this fine? I kinda don't want to peel a free turn card 4 ways but donking seems wrong. Not so sure.
Turn ($270): 6d. Hero bets $160. v1 starts counting his chips, pulling out $160 and seeing how much he has left. He then calls.
River ($590): 3c. Hero jams for v1's remaining ~$260. Is this jam too thin? does worse ever call? surely i'm not check/folding here. What about check/calling to induce Ah bluffs?
Any thoughts on the hand are appreciated.
4 Replies
PRE - Depending on reads and tells, I could see folding, calling or raising with KQo in the SB, facing a CO open over 1 limp, but I somewhat prefer either a fold or a raise to a call.
FLOP - if we flat call with KQ pre, I think we can just check-call this flop, when we're not blocking the flush or flush draws that will likely semi-bluff.
We're not just losing to flushes, we're also losing to flopped straights, which aren't folding yet, and also potentially some sets.
Just play a defensive, check-call pot-control line, unless we boat up. Let opponents bluff. We have a hand that can call across multiple streets, but probably isn't going to be best if we donk-lead flop and go bet-bet-bet, and get called down the whole way.
TURN - AP, I'd slow down and check. Let V1 take the betting lead. Check-call anything 1/2 pot or less. We're basically bluff catching at this point.
RIVER - AP, mostly check-fold, absent any tells. If we check-called flop and turn, we can still check-call a less than 2/3 pot sized bet.
Preflop
Fold or 3bet. I think against a CO open I would squeeze this one at some frequency. A cold call is almost certainly a mistake. I lean towards folding if I don't know how wide COs range is.
Flop
This is the problem with flatting pre. We have a good hand but COs range is still super wide (not to mention other players). He has a ton of heart combos that we didn't make fold by 3betting. All of his suited connectors and small suited aces are still in range, as well as hands like ATo. And of course he has all sets with JJ+. I don't have a SB flatting range really but if I did...I think all of my range wants to check/call or check raise depending on who bets and what sizing they use.
Turn
As played on flop. I think a check/call would be better. It almost feels like we're bluffing if we bet. Not a lot of worse hands call except Ax with Ah.
River
As played on turn, we're in a bad spot. If we jam we only get called by better. If we check we probably induce a naked Ah to jam, and we hate our life and probably have to fold. I reckon check/fold is probably best if we get here like this.
It's interesting seeing how poker thinking has changed over 7+ years.
FWIW, there was a spambot that bumped a bunch of 2016 threads, of which this is one.
It's interesting seeing how poker thinking has changed over 7+ years.
FWIW, there was a spambot that bumped a bunch of 2016 threads, of which this is one.
This is incredibly interesting. It's crazy to me that people would have ever recommended folding pre here, given we have the perfect situation for a squeeze.
Any other thoughts out there on how to approach this postflop? I feel like I've lost tons with two pair on wet boards over the years so probably not qualified to comment.
