Call or fold?

Call or fold?

Hi guys, I'm new here, thanks for accepting me in this forum. I have been playing poker for a few years, just for fun.
Last night I played live, and I'm not sure I made the right decision.

We are 4 players, blinds are 1/2, I'm on the button with $145, KQ off suited.
Cutoff (covers) raise 10, I just call, sb and bg fold. I don't know this player, he just arrived, the hand before raised x5 as well but everybody folded.

Pot: ~20
Flop is Q-9-2.
He bet 15, I just call.

Pot: ~50
Turn is 5,
He bets 30 very quickly, i call.

Pot:`110
River is 7, and he goes all in (for more than my remaining $90). Like before, instant bet.

I think about it. The dealer think oppo checked, and he gets a little angry because he moved the chips to show he went all in. Another player calls the clock, and I fold. I show him KQ, saying he was bluffing, he smiles and say "maybe".

Actually my stack was 90, I was not committed, but I think if I had more he wouldn't have bluffed.

Do you think I played well? Was he bluffing? Unfortunately I didn't have any informations about this player as he just joined the table. He could have AA, KK or AQ in my opinion.

31 May 2023 at 01:01 PM
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Recently I started to play again, I am not doing bad and I wanted to analyse this hand one more time.

Regarding showing my hand, I know it is not the right thing to do, but I left the table just after that hand so I didnt care that much.

Regarding the game, I think oppo may had something like AK/AJ, and just kept betting to send my away (in those low stakes there are a lot of LAG). Also, he showed to much aggression, if he had AA, KK, QQ and maybe AQ he would have thought maybe a little more about how to manage that monstee and get to most out of it.

Raising pre flop, considering I'm short, could have been an option but calling may have been right too, but I could have raised after his bet post flop, on the other hand only stronger hand would have called me, so Q with a weaker kicker would have probably fold, but i would have won that pot.

Any comment on what I said?

Thanks


Honestly, there's not much to analyze here. Would you have 3B pre with 99, 77, or AQ? If not, then KQ is about the best hand you'll have here, the way this was played. Unless a flush draw got there, I think this is probably a call in theory, but I can get behind making a nitty fold, when V goes bet-bet-bet, with somewhat larger sizing on every street.

If you're not calling with KQ here, what better hands do you have in your range on the river? Probably none. But for that matter, what better hands do you have on the flop, other than 99 or 22, or maybe Q9?

I think I'd prefer to raise pre, or as played, raise flop. If we don't raise pre or raise flop, we make it pretty easy for V to take us to value town with AQ or better, or barrel us off a hand that seems like it's pretty close to the top of our range by the river.

Could V have AQ or better here? Yes. Could he have QJ or worse? Also yes. Hard to know without more information.


by Garick k

Welcome to the forum, OP. FYI, he wasn't instantly raising post flop, he was instantly betting. That's a pretty big difference in terms of what (if anything) it is a tell of.

In your future hand posts, please don't include results, as they bias people's advise. Get up to you decision point and then stop without saying what you decided, and ask what people think you should do there. The traditional way to do that is something like "V (it's short for "villain," and means your opponent) insta-sh

Is it not because it's CO vs. Button?

Isn't the decision analogous to a 9 ring game, with 5 folds, and CO raising?


by hitchens97 k

Is it not because it's CO vs. Button?

Isn't the decision analogous to a 9 ring game, with 5 folds, and CO raising?

You didn't ask me, but I'll take a stab at an answer.

The fewer players in the game, the wider our ranges can be, because the stronger every hand gets, in relative terms. At least, that's the theory.

In reality, it depends on whether or not opponents are adjusting to being short handed, and how they're adjusting.

One player might open a wider range in the CO, because it's short handed. Another player might open tighter in the CO, because he's effectively UTG, and has to get through 3 opponents, all of whom have an incentive to defend against his raise.

In a 4-handed game, I think KQo is probably strong enough to 3B over a CO open. I'd think the CO could have worse Qx and other 1P hands in his range here, the way this was played.

I used to play in a semi-regular 3-player freeze-out with the same two opponents. Pre-flop play tended to be pretty aggressive, as a way to better define ranges, because it would be gross to flat with a hand like KQ or QJ here, and flop a dominated top pair.


by docvail k

Honestly, there's not much to analyze here. Would you have 3B pre with 99, 77, or AQ? If not, then KQ is about the best hand you'll have here, the way this was played. Unless a flush draw got there, I think this is probably a call in theory, but I can get behind making a nitty fold, when V goes bet-bet-bet, with somewhat larger sizing on every street.

If you're not calling with KQ here, what better hands do you have in your range on the river? Probably none. But for that matter, what better hands

I didn't have more information either, tried to give as much information as possible.

Not sure what you mean when you say what better hand I need to have to call, anything AQ or better. On top of that, yes I called 5bb with KQ, but I'm not willing to lose my entire stack just because I have top pair, at least not all the time, even if maybe here could have been the right choice.

Also, how can he get value if I don't raise? If he got a very strong hand, wouldn't be happier if I raise?
If I have a top pair with a good kicker on top of that, should not be a good idea keep the pot size not that big?


by Pokerd7 k

...Not sure what you mean when you say what better hand I need to have to call, anything AQ or better. On top of that, yes I called 5bb with KQ, but I'm not willing to lose my entire stack just because I have top pair, at least not all the time, even if maybe here could have been the right choice.

Also, how can he get value if I don't raise? If he got a very strong hand, wouldn't be happier if I raise?

If I have a top pair with a good kicker on top of that, should not be a good idea keep the pot

Quoting myself from above: Would you have 3B pre with 99, 77, or AQ? If not, then KQ is about the best hand you'll have here, the way this was played.

If you would have 3B pre with AQ, 99, 77 or even 55, (combos that make better top pairs, and sets), and folded hands like 86, Q2, 97, 95, 52, 75, etc (hands that make 2P or a straight), then KQ is basically the best hand you have in your range on the river.

Does that mean you HAVE to call? Not necessarily, but if you fold, what bettet hands do you have that do call? If the answer is none, then there's nothing much to analyze here, because we're just folding everything.

So, my preference in a four handed game would be to 3B from the BTN, or raise the flop. If we 3B pre and get 4B, it's an easy fold. If we raise flop and get 3B, it's an easy fold. If we 3B pre or raise flop, and V just flat calls, we'll have the best hand here more often than not.

When we play passively, we just don't know. On the river, we have to call $90 to win $200, so I think we need to call with something like the best 2/3 of hands we have in our range. If KQ is literally the best hand we'll have here, then it's a mandatory call in theory.

If, however, we get here with 86, 97, 22, 95, and some better combos, then maybe KQ is a fold. If we know our V well enough to know that he rarely barrels off with his bluffs, or if we know he'll value bet thin, then maybe that pushes our decision one way or the other. But in the absence of any reads on our opponent, we should probably assume he's capable of betting some worse hands here, and flick in the call.

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