Facing river raise w KK

Do you think he's capable of a crazy bluff? Are you going to be ok calling that and losing a big hand to Q5? What do you think his range is?

Typically in 1/3, people don't bluff the rivers that much. Vegas cna be different because of the trashy euro players and people just gambling for fun. You need to lean on the questions here to decide if there's bluffs he has.

What other hands do you take this line with? I think I'd have bet flop. If you have for straights and some queen hands only then you are at the bottom of your own range and beat no value so you can fold. You only need to call a little under half the time here to be unexploitable

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Standard call off in theory. Standard explo to fold a ton to river raises in practice though.

His line doesn’t make a ton of sense though. Players don’t xb flop with nearly enough strong made hands, and nothing really improved except ducks. While pot raising river is correct in theory, in practice it looks huge and seems like he’s not trying to get a lot of calls from our perceived weak range, especially cause he clicked up from pot a few extra BBs.

We block KQ really hard. QT/Q9 make a lot of sense for a flop xb, but is trips no kicker really raising a size that looks like it’s trying to get single pair hands to fold on a board where they’re pretty far from the nuts?

Probably best to hew close to theory on this one, but I think in practice I would have mucked before I let myself talk me into making a sucker call.

Not sure why you're checking this flop - this is 1/3 live in Vegas, everyone is playing as straightforward as possible. I'd just fold to the river raise - I think if he was going to run a bluff the flop is a great board to start bluffing on, and you and him can still have Qx here.

At 1/3, random players don't raise bluff often enough on the river to even think about a call. Easy fold.

Id fold

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Betting flop for value

AP I think most Vs bet a Q on flop. I agree his line does not make sense

But in general I think if you folded all of your one-pair hands to $200+ bets from unknown Vs at 1/3, you couldn't be too wrong

Under-bluffed spot at 1/3. Feels pretty nutted. Should have c-bet the flop. Probably folding to most V's on the river, absent any reliable tells or live reads.

I folded and he showed 78.

It seems like GTO wizard checks this flop quite a bit out of position. Looks like most people in there wouldnÂ’t be doing that.

I think this is a great spot to check your entire range. Then, when you get raised on the river you can fold comfortably knowing that you have every single strong hand in range (AQ, KQ, QQ, QJ, JJ, 88, T9s, etc) and that the population is very likely under bluffing.

Wow what the makes me wonder what he put you on cause he coulda just flatted if he thought you were bluffing with air…turning this hand into a bluff seems reckless at best by villain

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I like checking a lot of flops as the PFR when OOP.

But with an over-pair, un-blocking top pair on a fairly wet board, I think it's okay to c-bet for 1/3-1/2 flop when HU, even OOP. We can get value from Qx, and a lot of 1P + a draw hands like JT, J9, QT, 98, T8, Q9, etc. I don't really like slow-playing big over-pairs on high-connected boards, where our opponents might improve to a straight if we make a set.

Because the board is so wet, a lot of V's are going to play 2P and sets very aggressively, and raise our c-bet, which sucks, but does help to narrow his range. It's doubtful V is going to flat call pre and then raise our flop bet with a worse hand. Maybe he flats pre and decides to raise a wet flop with AQ, but that won't happen often enough to worry about it.

I kind of like his play here, blocking bottom set. He's going to have more QJ and 88 in his range than we will when we open UTG and check flop. I think we open ourselves up to this play when we don't c-bet the flop, which we're likely to do with AA, KK, AQ, KQ, JJ, and 88.

So, I might have c-bet flop, checked turn, and then played the river as check-evaluate. Or I might c-bet flop, barrel turn, and then check-evaluate river.

If we check flop, and bet 2/3 pot on turn when the board pairs and the BDFD appears, we're somewhat in no-man's land when V calls turn, and the draws brick out. I'd probably check-call the river a lot, depending on the bet size, to induce V to bet his busted draws or value-own himself with a worse hand.

Why are you checking the flop?

As played it's an easy fold, assuming we have zero reads.

Had you cbet, it wouldn't open some players up to thinking you're weak and take advantage of the situation by bluffing you out of the pot but the fold as played was fine.

Why are you referring to GTO wizard in a live 1/3 game. You should be playing extremely exploitable/straightforward in these games

I don't play LV games and hear they are quite different from the 1/3 NL I play in, but anyhoo...

I just limp in.

I'm cool with a flop check. ETA: Also cool with a small bet and I might lean to that against the more clueless passive calling station types. Otherwise, especially with a nitty image (which mine is), a flop check OOP is acceptable too, imo.

Think I mostly check the turn to start inducing bluffs on this card / limit damage when behind / get to showdown.

At this point, pretty read dependent. Against passive calling stations, a bet/fold is probably best. Otherwise, I might check to induce against more difficult / bluffy opponents (because I really don't want to be put in the spot we're in, where I'm now mostly forced to fold without seeing a showdown).

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