Baby SC deep
1/3 NLHE 8 handed.
Table is amazing. Dark opens to 50, people shoving AXs, KXs pre for 500$ then getting stacked and rebuying. Everyone is deep except a couple people who keep rebuying. Hero currently has 900$ in the UTG.
V - Asian woman who I only have a few hours with but she's been around a lot lately and I'm getting a lock on her. She bets huge when she has a hand she wants to protect, check calls most of her draws unless its a big draw then she'll lead out, and has a major bet sizing tell. A small bet being a weaker hand. 640$ CO.
HH - V opens 10 EP, H calls BTN, blinds LPs both call, 4 ways, H has 8♠ 5♠ (1200 eff), flop J♠ 9♦ 6♥ x x x x, turn 4♠ x x V bets 15, H raises to 75, all fold.
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H sees 3♥ 4♥ and limps 3 off a stack of 900$ (second smallest after V's 640$, everyone else covers us), 4 more limps including V in CO and LP BTN, blinds complete, 7 ways 3rd to act.
Flop 20 - 5♥ 4♣ 3♦
x, x, H bets 20, UTG1 folds, all else call, 6 ways 3rd to act.
Turn 140 - 9♥
x, x, Hero bets 100, MP folds, V jams 615$, BTN tanks for 5 minutes and folds, SB folds quickly, BB tanks and eventually shows me his cards because he thinks I'm not in the hand and missed my 100$ bet somehow - BBs cards get show to everyone: 4♠ 5♣
Hero?
16 Replies
Fold pre and I guess fold now
H1 fold pre ainec
H2 fold pre ainec
Pre. is mostly bad gambling in both hands, maybe helps you get paid off later when you show.
Don't bet huge on the flop. After that don't bet big on the turn just because you pickup up some equity vs. all the hands that called that crush you. After the shove and accidental show of 54o fold that has you crushed I guess you probably aren't against sets, just mostly 76/A2 and some random floats with better flush draw and straight draws (but nowhere near enough of those to call) because everyone will play 76o for the same reasons you played 4 high.
7 handed there are multiple opponents who could have 16 combos of 76, 16 of A2, 4+ of 62 depending on position, all the sets and 54...and there's not even a flush draw on board. When you get the flop big and get called by 5 people, not everyone has an overpair or a straight draw. I'd check the turn, intending to call some modest action but quietly slip away from any intense action. These guys sound bad but it's probably correct to not raise a set here 7 handed when there are literally dozens of straights out there
Cmon Banana, you know this is a fold, tell me you did the right thing!
Go home Banana. You're drunk.
you sure youre a winning player?
haha guys it was such a sick hand I wanted to write it up. I don't see what wrong with pre other than position? limping this OTB okay?
Results:
Spoiler
I fold like a good boy. V shows 95o, BTN says he had 62o but put me on 67.
If you're at a table with people throwing out a bunch of huge bets pre and stacking off really light, the absolute last thing you want to do is limp in with speculative holdings that struggle to hit nutted hands. You're gonna get bled to death.
You have thousands of posts on this forum over 10 years and still don't know basic preflop strategy? Both these hands are trivial preflop folds someone could learn in their first day
There's something called preflop charts and you can view them on gtowizard.com for free. If you study them you will learn how to play preflop
I'm admittedly way out of my comfort zone at this type of table at this stack depth and would be looking for a table that suits me better.
Even though I would typically attempt to get into hands for cheap in LP with anything remotely reasonable, this hand has so much RIO I typically just dump it. Anywhere else other than LP it is an easy dump for me.
I would either bet small (I don't want to build a huge pot with the ~100th nuts in an eleventeen way pot OOP) or even just check/evaluate and passively start calling down reasonable bets on a reasonable runout.
I probably lean to check/evaluating on the turn still this multiway. Betting this large into this many player with a hand that is one pip better than an overpair seems extremely meh to me. Trivial fold to the action. FWIW, I think we way overplayed/overvalued our hand postflop, which makes preflop an even more trivial fold.
ETA: I missed the fact that we picked up the flush draw, which makes the large bet/fold even worse, imo. Just check and see if we can get to see a river / realize our equity / showdown in a big pot for a reasonable price.
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haha guys it was such a sick hand I wanted to write it up. I don't see what wrong with pre other than position? limping this OTB okay?
Results:
Spoiler
I fold like a good boy. V shows 95o, BTN says he had 62o but put me on 67.
You don't want to be playing hands with reverse implied odds 300BB deep.
The turn bet on the second hand is terrible. You burned 30ish percent of equity with that bet.
Then again, someone might have had the higher flush draw and you might have been drawing dead. And even if no one had the higher flush, how much money are you making anyway when people are playing so nitty multiway that they are folding top two.... on the turn?
This hand history is why i despise limped multiway. Not only you have to play it nitty, but most bad players know you have to play it nitty. It's the type of situation they have the most experience in.
Like, save for the real live ones on Saturday nights, most bad players know not to overplay even the third or fourth nuts multiway.
But a good deal of them don't understand that heads up is different, so they flop monsters and they play them passively because someone might have better, when the preflop action eliminates a good deal of those hands.
"Oh yeah, you 3bet to 90 from the small blind, but I didn't want to go crazy with my top set, because you could have hand 35 on that 246 board".
yes yes it wasnt ideal, my two lessons are RIO especially OOP and stop overplaying hands MW
