Not one, but TWO check raisers

Not really knowing anything about villains the only hands I continue with after the second check/raise are QQ and TT. Even 55 I fold because the risk of a higher set is too much. 55 is an annoying fold because there is a decent chance that one is on a draw and the other is bluffing/also drawing. It's just too expensive when hero's only option is shove and hero doesn't have a whole lot invested.

If it was just V1 I continue with QX+ to turn and see what villain does. With a hand better then one pair consider reraise flop or turn. After the check/raise I'm mostly trying to get to a cheap showdown with one pair. Also call a flop raise with nut flush draw or combo draw. The nut flush draw is not in a real good situation but the chance we can check back turn makes it worth while and the combo draw has too many outs.
Villain not knowing anything about hero helps hero a bit, since villain can't make any assumptions about hero's range they should be a bit more careful. Once villain has a better read on hero then hero has to decide on flop if they are willing to call down against potential bluffs and semi-bluffs. A lot of the time I would fold most QX to a raise.

PRE - looks fine.

FLOP - why are we betting $50 into $60? Why not $20 or even $15? Would you take that sizing with 2P+?

It looks like you're trying to just take the pot down with TP or AA/KK. If just one V raised, I'd be a little suspicious that he was just making a play against what he perceives to be your capped range, but when the second V raises, that's pretty scary.

If one V folded and the other raised, I'd probably continue with KQ, at least to the turn, especially if SB raised and BB folded, especially if the raise was small, because SB could conceivably be trying to get BB to fold out a better draw. If SB called or folded and BB raised, that would be a little scarier, because he could just flat.

Obviously we'd continue with QQ/TT. I think these two V's are 3B'ing QQ/TT from the blinds, so I'd probably also go with 55, expecting to be up against QT, KJ, J9, or maybe occasionally AQ.

I think KQ is just a clear fold here, even though we're partially blocking AQ/QT, and unblocking clubs. We're also blocking KJ, and QJ, which seems like it sort of offsets blocking AQ/QT. Either V could have flat called pre with 55. One of them probably has KJcc or J9cc, if not QT.

Either of them could be making this play with 98cc, or ATcc, but ATs seems more likely to 3B pre.

Did you really not know what to do with KQ in this spot?

You had another thread where you ask if you are overplaying hands multiway. And here we are multiway betting almost full pot again. Go quarter pot or check.

I would only continue with 2pair plus and combo draws here, and it is jam or fold. Maybe even only A high and K high straight draw/flush draw draws.

From hand history V2 is a donkey would could have 55 but could have draws, 2 pair, other Qx, straight draws, who knows.

V1 probably has us cooked though.

move down

I'm sorry about how much it hurts that your KQo would have been good on the river, if you called.

Calling here is pretty much guaranteed to be losing long term.

As others said, bet less on the flop.

As for the question: TTc maybe. Some NFD hands, AcTc/AcJc/AcKc maybe only.

Not sure if I'm reading you right, but that sounds pretty snarky.

It's only human nature to wish we had stuck around for the win. While I think Bananaman had an easy instafold, he's asking the right Qs to understand how he should act in the future.

I often quietly curse after folding out of a double brd bomb pot with what proves to be the winner. But I've set up a set of rules and am a big winner at that game bc I follow them.

They most likely have miserable lives so they come on here day after day making thinly veiled insults to protect their egos which have been heavily invested in a card game.

Was that one of the two questions I asked?

Fwiw I didn't read illiterat's post as overly snarky. He took the time to respond with advice, he seems pretty chill, and his input is generally pretty solid.

I took his meaning to be that you must have folded, then seen that either you had the best hand or would have made the best hand had you called. But I think everyone here would agree that would be a losing call over many iterations.

I'm literally just asking what hands I could continue with here as I'm trying to understand how I play my whole range and I'm getting responses like "lol move down" and "you don't know this is a fold???"

Also, as to your question about whether we continue vs just v1's raise if v2 folds, that really depends if v1 is a super agro player with bunch of bluffs, even multiway. If you don't have evidence for that, I think I would just fold and keep my continue range to 2P+, and strong flush draw/combo draw type hands.

I do know that I would feel more comfortable if I went 3x pre and went quarter pot on the flop. Then getting check raised isn't quite as scary. People are more likely to bluff when we bet small. When we bomb the flop, people assume we are married to our hand and want get us to put all the money in

From your post:

“check, check, H bets 50, V1 x/r to 175, V2 3-bets to 400...hero? (V1 covers, V2 has about 1.2k, I have 750 or so back).“

Take this as you see fit...

There are a lot of dicks online. Especially on forums. This place is sort of odd because we're asking people for their opinions, which is effectively inviting people to roast us.

It seems not too long ago you were lamenting that you were on a downswing. If I recall correctly you got some solid advice then, and soon after it seemed like you turned things around. But more recently some of your threads seem like you're possibly dealing with some persistent tilt.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I genuinely want to see you doing better. And I think anyone who makes the effort to type a paragraph of coherent thought for your benefit likely feels the same.

Consider taking the good advice as well meant, and ignoring the random unhelpful comments.

So a couple+1 of things first off:

1. You've been around here a long time, and posted a decent amount. I assume you know KQo isn't a call on the flop without amazing reads.

2. You've posted a bunch of hands recently that seem ... let's say overly aggressive. To the point where it feels like you are trying to win too many pots.

3. Everyone tilts, to some degree. And as we get more experience we don't tend to get annoyed we didn't play 84o or 32s just because it hit big and people were putting money in ... but I often find myself thinking "could I have made that hero call/bluff because of these N things I noticed that could be put together to suggest it was correct ... even though the action strongly suggests hero should fold"

The post heavily felt like #3.

If you just want to ask about ranges in future then I would heavily lean towards not showing hero's cards, or maybe giving hero a fake hand that you think is borderline.
I also think it's much more difficult to answer "ranges" questions, because some parts of the range will be borderline and a lot will depend on what your actual range is by that point (Eg. I basically never bet 50 into 60 here -- so I've no idea what range you have).

Ps. Also tone is difficult to convey in text, and shockingly I also randomly post replies here late at night when I'm not sober. So you probably want to take a deep breath and ask for clarification or just skip the escalating reply if you don't find what I said helpful. Or, at worst, remember and talk **** when I post a hand 😉.

Easy fold otf.

Bad bet, ch call.

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think it would be an interesting spot with qt tbh, probably thats the cut off to put in more money along with very good draws. i get theyre not really supposed to have alot of good hands here because pre but i just think if you put in 200bb vs this action 3 ways you probably want > 1 pair. kind of think bb can have worse hands for value but im not really sure what v1's range looks like. also think this is a hand we want to be checking a large amount of the time vs 2 esp if you're going to be using large sizing otf

This guy saved me a bunch of typing. Thanks bud.

TT/QQ snap jam. Might think a while with KJcc and AJcc. Definitely folding 55.

You know I don't troll or snark, but SB, when you put "... hero?" it's reasonable to assume that's a question you want answering with the stated hand you said you had.

It sounds somewhat disingenuous (and may I may say disreespectful?) to imply that wasn't a question you were asking.

not if you read the very next line which makes it very clear what's being asked, "The questions I'm asking are..."

Not to wade into the fray (but I will anyway)

You DID ask what to do in this spot. People in this forum take things literally. If there's a 'Hero?' then you're going to get answered accordingly.

As played this is an obvious fold but I assume you knew that.

The answer to the first question is are TT, QQ, maybe KJcc, and maybe 55. Against some players, 55 is a snap muck so it's villain dependent.

The second question.. is V1 the same V1 from the prior hand history? Regardless, this is probably a fold as well since flop check raises tend to be pretty nutted. Even if V1 plays draws aggressively OOP, you are flipping at best and crushed a lot.

I'm failing to understand how some are advocating for folding 55 that seems insane to me. Even in very passive live games you should be able to heavily discount QQ and at least partially discount TT (more player dependent and I know it's not too strange to see this get flatted).

Folding 55 is a deeply unserious opinion and there's no factually arguing with that. As for anything else, I probably just lolfold KQ here because I dont even know wtf is going on with these 2 yet. I'd need to see at least another 5 showdowns to see who's punting longterm. So from that point on if I'm sandwiched between the two of them I'm calling off with 2pair+ or the best combo draws.