AKo but unknown tighter player interested

AKo but unknown tighter player interested

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

Table is full of unknowns, I just sat down awhile ago. I've been running like crap lately, down 7 BIs in 7 sessions (one session I broke even and one I lost 2 BIs, not sure how bad this is). Getting spooked and to a point where I'm afraid to 3-bet JJ pre because of how bad I'm running.

V1 - standard loose passive, but has shown some bluffs post flop, even MW. 500$ LJ.

V2 - tighter pre but looser post, VPIP around 15%. Covers. CO.

H is eff with 400$ in the SB.

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UTG limps, V1 to 15, folds to V2 who goes 40, H sees A K and JUST calls, V1 calls. 3-ways OOP.

Flop 120 - K J 3

H checks, V1 checks, V2 bets 45, H calls, V1 calls

Turn 255 - J

Checks through

River - 4

H checks, V1 checks, V2 bets 55, Hero?

19 July 2024 at 07:09 AM
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LJ vs CO vs SB when your read on the 3bettor is tight (and the original raiser passive), you can probably just fold AKo preflop. A cold 4bet would never really be a mistake but it's probably not a big theoretical +EV play (if at all) so you're not giving much up by folding. A cold call is rarely optimal but again getting involved with a hand as good as AK probably isn't disastrous.

Flop and turn OK.

River is interesting, lead / check-call / check-raise all have their merits. CO probably has AK or AA a lot so a check-raise could be a nice play. It could be that he has a weaker hand like KQ or QQ, in which case a lead might fold him out but get V1 (the more passive opponent) to call with something similar...but V1 can have a Jack. Of course this is results orientated knowing he's going to bet small - to which you surely have enough to call even if it's only to chop a lot. This paragraph is word salad but I think I like a check-raise best


I hate cold calling/flatting with AK pre as far as I can help it (especially for 13.5 bb's), so depending on how "tighter pre" equates to V2's 3betting range I would either fold it if his range is very nutted, or 4 bet if it's closer to standard, but that's just my style.

As played I would just call the river. We didn't come this far (and this cheap) to fold and raising would be over playing/turning it into a bluff.


I think it's played fine up to now. Calling river, expecting not to win often (AK and AA are most likely holdings here), but price is too good to fold. I'm not sure what worse calls us if we raise.

If v1 raises after we call, I'm insta mucking regardless of what v2 does.


Think I'm cool with the whole hand except I might make that blocker bet myself on the river. As played probably sigh / cry calling for this price.

ETA: Preflop is sucky spot. Really only kinda dislike a 4bet against this V2 player type. Could get behind a fold (the more I think about it the more it probably just is a fold, especially OOP). But a flat will bring in V1 and we can make up our IO against him (ex: we have poor IO against V2's QQ but we have decent IO against V1's AQ).

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To be clear, if we raised I'd never expect it to get called by worse, but I'd expect V2's AK (and probably AA) to fold out a lot. Given V1 chose not to bet the river he is probably not as much of a factor any more. We can represent a lot of flushes (especially), boats and AJ


As played I think nothing to do but call OTR. I like the line some of the time. Obviously 4b some of the time pre should be fine as well.


Result:

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We call and he has AA, later we 4-bet AKo pre for 100BBs and get snapped off by QQ and AA. Down 7 BIs now :(


I've seen results, but...

I'd just fold pre. loose passive made it 5x and tight low VPIP 3bets. Also we are in the SB. Probably have to not fold AKs, but AKo is meh here. Would rather call like 99 and have some clue where I'm at.

If I'm playing well I think I donk bet turn for like 125, we mostly want folds but we have bare Ac and this is the only hand we have with it. Also leading feels a lot better than x/c. We don't want to stack off vs. either but V2 probably never raises turn without us being somewhere between crushed and completely dead.

As played to river I prefer bet to x/c, but I'd probably bet a bit more (like 80) so you lost less.


by Stupidbanana k

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

Table is full of unknowns, I just sat down awhile ago. I've been running like crap lately, down 7 BIs in 7 sessions (one session I broke even and one I lost 2 BIs, not sure how bad this is). Getting spooked and to a point where I'm afraid to 3-bet JJ pre because of how bad I'm running.

V1 - standard loose passive, but has shown some bluffs post flop, even MW. 500$ LJ.

V2 - tighter pre but looser post, VPIP around 15%. Covers. CO.

H is eff with 400$ in the SB.

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UTG limps, V1 to 15,

Can I politely suggest a break of a week or two?


good idea


Yeah, as played river is an easy fold, especially with another player to act.


Lowkey think pre is just a fold, gonna be real tough to play +EV with AKo here vs a tight 1/3 player's 3betting range.


Postflop looked ok to me, you block KK and the flush so it could be AA, AK mostly and some QQ thin value occasionally. The river price is right.
Preflop is potentially the exit ramp.

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