Poker in prison

Poker in prison

So I have been playing online since the party poker days and played professionally for a few years before black Friday. Then just mostly for fun. I am in prison at a federal camp for money laundering. I get out in 2026 hopefully. So I just started getting back into poker in here but the games are SOOO much different. The dynamic is very bizarre. People will call river value bets so light because for some reason it makes you a coward if you fold too much and the worst thing to happen to someone is to get bluffed. The whole macho mentality is probably where most of that stems from.

My question is if you are playing in a game with 10% rake is it pretty safe to say it's going to be hard to beat over a large sample? What is worse is they play dealers choice which can be anything from Badugi to various PLO 5 card games with double sometimes triple boards. So you have a game that's 10% rake playing games that play looser preflop in NL format. The only benefit is if you lose that week you only have to pay 70% of your losses. It's no wonder by the end of the week all but maybe 1-2 players are down.

Maybe I'm just a nit at heart and hate high variance games. My question there are some terrible players in this game. Many who will call 3 streets with a flush on paired board in 5 card PLO but despite there being bad players that 10% rake is ridiculous to me. Has anyone ever played in very juicy games with very high rake? A lot of these guys have serious impulse control problems so they will gamble on just about anything I just figured I would ask if anyone has experience with high rake live games. Also I am posting because cell phones are everywhere at these minimum security camps part of me is considering going back to playing online but I have no HUD no piosolver which would make studying hard.

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21 July 2024 at 05:24 AM
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So I gotta ask.

Poker can't be legal in prison, right? And you get out in 2026. And you get out in 2026. Aren't you putting your release date in jeopardy? And also since all internet use get monitored, why are you posting this?

As for advice. Loose calling stations abound out there still.

Sounds like you should just play solid TAG poker, and not bluff much at all.

As for not over folding, well I think that's just a balance between the minimal amount you need to do without getting yourself into whatever trouble been seen as a coward will get you into.


What's your Cigarettes/100 win rate?


by donkology101 k

So I have been playing online since the party poker days and played professionally for a few years before black Friday. Then just mostly for fun. I am in prison at a federal camp for money laundering. I get out in 2026 hopefully. So I just started getting back into poker in here but the games are SOOO much different. The dynamic is very bizarre. People will call river value bets so light because for some reason it makes you a coward if you fold too much and the worst thing to happen to som

Who runs those games? Is it some prison gang like Arian Brotherhood?

I don't believe you can win in games with a 10% uncapped rake even against a very bad opposition particularly so if you play a lot of split pot games and PLO. Did you consider talking to whoever is running the game if they would be interested in giving you some rakeback if you helped them start games or maybe taught them how to play better? Probably you are best off using these games as a way to build some social capital and make friends rather than try to generate any serious income.

As far as what to do with all that time? Does your prison offer some college courses? Maybe use the time to gain some skills that way?


Losing is probably +ev in prison, that way they feel a need to protect you


Who is taking the rake?


by checkraisdraw k

Losing is probably +ev in prison, that way they feel a need to protect you

I actually read in a prison sub this is one of the ways to stay out of trouble if you come from money. Your poker buddies watch out for you 😆


by hitchens97 k

Poker can't be legal in prison, right?

I don't have first-hand experience, but I believe it's legal, or at least tolerated. Many stories of prison games.

My question is who's ranking 10%? Is there a designated dealer? That's a smart man (or woman).


If true, I'm surprised you managed to get on this website. I'd expect the prison wifi would have blocked it, just as it would block all gambling sites.

I think the key statements you made is that almost everyone loses every week and the people running the game only collect 70% of the losses that week. Pretty confident that the deck is marked and you're going to have a big debt by the time you get out that has a large vig accumulating. Stay away from a prison game.


Prison wifi? Your prisons sound soft.


by venice10 k

If true, I'm surprised you managed to get on this website. I'd expect the prison wifi would have blocked it, just as it would block all gambling sites.

I think the key statements you made is that almost everyone loses every week and the people running the game only collect 70% of the losses that week. Pretty confident that the deck is marked and you're going to have a big debt by the time you get out that has a large vig accumulating. Stay away from a prison game.

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by moxterite k

Prison wifi? Your prisons sound soft.

I'm assuming it's one of those "Club Fed" type prisons for non-violent criminals.


by hitchens97 k

I'm assuming it's one of those "Club Fed" type prisons for non-violent criminals.

I'd guess that there are still some people in those places that know how to handle themselves


I used to play on extremely soft juicy 6% uncapped game against local gangsters in Peru a long time ago. At that time I wasn't a reg but definitely played better than the rest, I didn't took track of much I won or lost... But I can tell you for fact is unbeatable. Even though they are all gambling and throwing money away, it's impossible to beat house rake, that is why you will see they give that much credit to almost everyone. I was making money on the casino and I thought I was winning more than I lost on this private gangster runned home games, but in fact I was a break even/losing player, maybe skill at the time because It was 2012.

Unless you play like worm in rounders


by donkology101 k

So I have been playing online since the party poker days and played professionally for a few years before black Friday. Then just mostly for fun. I am in prison at a federal camp for money laundering. I get out in 2026 hopefully. So I just started getting back into poker in here but the games are SOOO much different. The dynamic is very bizarre. People will call river value bets so light because for some reason it makes you a coward if you fold too much and the worst thing to happen to som

where are you staying? my close friend did about 8 months in Otisville a few years back

they played poker there as well, but from what he told me it was all NL

the rake was similar to what you are describing (but quite typical compared to NYC games) and the players were absolutely atrocious, think he won around $15-20K overall which is absolute peanuts for 95% of people there


by hitchens97 k

I'm assuming it's one of those "Club Fed" type prisons for non-violent criminals.

I am assuming that even if prison doesn't allow internet access, most prisoners can and do sneak cell phones inside which are tolerated. Obviously nowadays, if you have a cell phone, you 've got internet.

I think that's for the good btw. It would be unbelievably boring otherwise.


i often play 1/2 at a casino near a prison

every so often a guy will come in with his arms covered in obvious prison tats and will quickly dust off their buyin in short order, reach into their pocket, try to rebuy with $20, told that's too little and then they say they'll go to an atm and never return

a bunch of them usually say they played a lot in prison and did well and now that they are out they decided to play in a casino

they are all absolutely terrible players - so much that if i were to begin playing for a living again, i would consider getting some temporary tattoos that look like a drunken 11 year old scribbled on my arm in order to max exploit the badregs who will see that and bumhunt me 😀


by hitchens97 k

So I gotta ask.

Poker can't be legal in prison, right? And you get out in 2026. And you get out in 2026. Aren't you putting your release date in jeopardy? And also since all internet use get monitored, why are you posting this?

As for advice. Loose calling stations abound out there still.

Sounds like you should just play solid TAG poker, and not bluff much at all.

As for not over folding, well I think that's just a balance between the minimal amount you need to do without getting yourself into what

The Cos have much bigger things to worry about then people playing poker for cash apps and commissary. For whatever reason K2 and fentanyl are the two most abused drugs in prison so they are more worried about people overdosing and people having K2 episodes than guys just playing poker. There's another guy here who was playing professionally before he got indicted he was out on pretrial release on bail before he came and he was dealing at the Commerce because his PO said poker wasn't a legit job. He and I will play and since it's dealers choice we deal just holden and PLO I just wish there was a way to avoid some of these circus games with 3 boards and 5 cards in your hand.


why were you laundering money
how much did you launder
how did you launder it
why did you get caught


by OvertlySexual k

What's your Cigarettes/100 win rate?

So far Im playing about 25 hours a week at 1/2 am up about $640 in cash apps and about $70 in blue fin bags of tuna. Mostly eat fish for the protein as food here is trash. Cigarettes are banned in prison but they are big money here. An Oz of tobacco sells for about $100 w papers and $80 without lol. It's crazy how lucrative the contraband trade is here. Guys have people go to the store and buy 100 vapes at $10 a pop and sell each vape for $150 it's crazy these guys leave with more money than they came in with. Since it's a camp there's a lot of wire fraud white collar guys. Two of which were on American Greed.


by rickroll k

why were you laundering money
how much did you launder
how did you launder it
why did you get caught

When I was playing poker I discovered crypto and saw playing online as a way to make more crypto also I was an agent for poker brose and Pppoker because both sites stopped letting my friends and I play because it was bad for "the recreational poker ecosystem" so I found losing players who played at work and lost to counter my wins. The sites needed $120K in BTC to keep their tables and sports books open so I started selling them crypto. They referred me to other "associates" of theirs who also needed crypto. So I was selling crypto to them and they were paying me by having the losers in the sports book pay me via PayPal FB pay Pay apple pay etc. All of that was fine as the feds really have gotten softer on gambling related crimes. My mistake happened during the AMC/ Game stop short squeeze and the Shiba pumps as I was trading a lot of their money. I was unaware where some of those funds came from and got told on by one of the codefendants who said I was laundering crypto and money by layering the funds in various crypto/stock investments. In retrospect I had some suspicions that some of the money was drug money but the money was so good a didn't ask questions. So here I am.


by OvertlySexual k

I am assuming that even if prison doesn't allow internet access, most prisoners can and do sneak cell phones inside which are tolerated. Obviously nowadays, if you have a cell phone, you 've got internet.

I think that's for the good btw. It would be unbelievably boring otherwise.

Yep that's exactly right.


Most importantly….how’s the sex in there?


by feel wrath k

Most importantly….how’s the sex in there?

Food is terrible sex is great. Lol I should do an AMA I think it would be a funny thread of all the crazy things u see in here. The trannies the gangs which is actually laughable at a minimum security camp.


by donkology101 k

Food is terrible sex is great. Lol I should do an AMA I think it would be a funny thread of all the crazy things u see in here. The trannies the gangs which is actually laughable at a minimum security camp.

I reckon that would be a very popular thread

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