A slowplay K K

A slowplay K K

1/2 game, 8 handed. Stacks are $150ish. Players generally are not too stabby or irrational, not going out of their way to give away money postflop. Normal loose passive pre.

1 player limps, hero raises K K to $12 in MP. HJ and CO call, one of the blinds calls, limpers folds.
4 ways, $45. K 6 2
One check, hero checks...?

27 July 2024 at 05:20 PM
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Pretty much the ideal slowplay spot when considering your hand, the board, and your stack size.


Bet $10


This is fine, you have ~zero cards to be scared of, block top pair etc etc. Hard to make much money here.


I agree with betting small. I’d probably go 15.

I would not check here unless I was playing a strategy where I checked a lot of hands, which doesn’t make sense to me because mostly I want to bet this flop and take it down right now with most of my range.


You know, I like the small bet idea. Potential to get a call from pocket pair, weak draw, etc. and matches what I might do with AQ and other c- bet hands on this flop.


by Man of Means k

You know, I like the small bet idea. Potential to get a call from pocket pair, weak draw, etc. and matches what I might do with AQ and other c- bet hands on this flop.

Possibly not against this field, but you could also induce a raise with a small sizing. THAT is when you can start slowplaying.


The problem with checking is that even if HJ/CO bet and get zero other calls ... wtf do you have that can x/c?
Some of your worst Kx? QQ/JJ/TT maybe? Even 99-77 would much rather just bet small and get folds from QJ/JT/A9/whatever.

Even if you have all 9 combos of AQs/AJs/QJs with BDFD ... 76 should be very worried because you still have way more value.
And people aren't putting in savage multi street bluffs you can value x/c down soooo....

At some point you'd actually like to put more money in, so say you x/c flop vs. CO $15 and see a turn HU and then x again and CO bets $20 ... call and raise both kind of suck, dito. if he checks back like 8h/7h/5h/4h/3h.
So you somehow need a balanced x/c flop and lead turn range, or a not always the super nuts x/c flop and x/r turn. And now you are playing 3d chess at 1-2 when, as moxterite said, you probably just aren't getting much no matter what.

tl;dr Mostly bet small, $10-$15 probably doesn't matter much. Easiest way to get max value from 66/22, and gets some value from random JJ-77 that didn't 3bet pre. ... _and_ you never end up seeing like the 5h 4 ways and not being sure how much to put in with the 2nd nuts and 666 draws. Checking is fine though for balance, but again you aren't getting much from it in a void.


Betting small is slow playing. Checking isn't the only type of slowplay.


The problem with slowplaying is a lot of the time it just leads to even more aggressive actions later, like, what, are you gonna check raise the flop? Or turn? What turn card do you want other than an ace? All their 1 pair hands will call a bet, all their no pair hands cant hit enough to bet a non ace turn.

Youre 4 ways, just bet $15 and you probably take it down and thats fine.


The other thing is how just transparent it looks.

Checking a flop that you should clearly range bet and then taking an aggressive action later. Anyone with a brain can see what you have.

And if they are that braindead just bet anyways because they'll call super wide.


by Mr Spyutastic k

The other thing is how just transparent it looks.

Checking a flop that you should clearly range bet

He's playing $1/2. Most people don't know what range bet means.


Range-bets don't exist 4-way oop to 2 players imo. Checking is fine, betting small enough that any 6 and any mid pp will peel a card is also fine. Just like...don't bet big then high five the dealer or something.


If i were to ever range bet in a 4 way pot oop to 2 players, itd be on K62r, but sure, i agree that simply checking wont put alarm bells off, but the raise absolutely will (which BY THE WAY, worth remembering to check raise here with like 54)


Even if you think we shouldn’t range bet any board, then we should still be betting this board sometimes and this should be one of those times. If we want to put strong hands in our checking range, let’s consider having some combos of AK or AA in there.


definitely need some check back spots and this seems like a perfect board for it.


by DEKE01 k

He's playing $1/2. Most people don't know what range bet means.

Sure, I guess they don't have that terminology, but they still know that a preflop raiser bets quite often on a board with a K (as they should, this is a great board to cbet small, regardless of your holdings, even into 3 other players).

Just don't check raise OTF, ffs. Donk later if you need protection, but the line would be x/c, x/c, donk lead river.

Would still prefer a b/b/b line.


I think checkings ok as long as we don't c/r if someone bets. That would defeat the whole purpose.

There's also the possibility someone donks out only like 15 ott, then we're faced with chasing him out if we raise or calling smaller bets where he woulda called a bigger cbet.

In general I would cbet since it's 4 ways.


Bet small, $10-$15. Maybe even go same bet and make it $12. Maybe someone thinks that looks fishy and raises.

It would suck to check and give a free card to 54/43 that drills the ISSD on the turn or river. Opponents could have some 22/66 here that want to blast off, as well as some PP's that will float a smallish bet.

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