Banana with 2 pears gets minclicked
1/3 NLHE 8 handed
Been on a long downswing of 14 BIs now with one winning session out of the last 10. A few punts but getting run over. Might be tilted.
V - lp asian. Came to the room a week or two ago and plays every night now. Runs like a god against me. AK vs his AQ AI pre runout is K-J-X-Y-T. Another hand he opened HJ to 15 CO calls Banana to 50 OTB with KQo, he flats OOP, CO folds. Runout is Qh-9c-3h-8h-2s and he has 69hh taking a donk bet bet line OOP for small sizing, I just call down IP and lose. Covers BTN.
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H in MP opens K♣ Q♠ to 10 off 500$, folds to V who calls, tilted loose passive losing indian kid 3-bets BB to 22 off 500$ stack, I call, V calls.
Flop 65 - 9♣ 8♦ 6♠
Checks through
Turn 65 - Q♥
Indian kid leads 20, H calls, V calls
River 125 - K♠
Indian kid looks disappointed and checks returning to his beer, H bets 75, V clicks to 150, indian kid folds, H?
Shove
preflop is a 4bet against a tilted random button clicker. Postflop minraise of death, guy just has JT here every time.
This is JT so often. No raise on the turn because multiway people do odd things trying to get everyone's money. Given description this guy has some T7 and 75 as well, and I wouldn't rule out sets. Only bluffs are 7x and even the most clueless players know that they've got to get through two opponents (and aren't going to value bet worse)
Correction: turn brought in a FD, say Q♦
Jamming is horrible.
I don't even wanna puke call, depending on how many times he's even raised post flop before. If it's not a straight it could also be a slow played set, although straights are more likely to minraise.
4B pre over tilted fish's min-click.
Raise turn to iso.
Check river. Let V bluff or bet worse for value.
When someone seems to run like god against us, it's usually because they're taking advantage of weak plays we're making and slow-playing against us. The only solution is to speed up when we want to slow down and slow down when we want to speed up.
If I was on a 14 BI downswing, I would be playing shortstacked and super tight just to get some low variance easy peasy decisions with little chance of horrendous downside. Putting yourself in high variance difficult spots deep in what is currently likely a broken fragile mindset is not a good game plan, imo.
If we're often going to be in pots deep with this guy, we'll want to be in position as much as possible. Is that going to happen enough in our current seat location? If not, seat change appropriately, imo.
Depending on where exactly we are in MP I might even open fold preflop. Otherwise I'd prefer an open limp. I guess we have to sigh call the ~minraise at these stacks and in position on the 3better.
I play postflop the exact same way. Overall, I just call the river raise. In general, I wouldn't call river raises as they are usually so nuttish. But with him not betting the turn it just seems more likely he has binked two pear as well. Might even be an argument for a thin minraise/fold, but I take the more conservative route.
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If I was on a 14 BI downswing, I would be playing shortstacked and super tight just to get some low variance easy peasy decisions with little chance of horrendous downside. Putting yourself in high variance difficult spots deep in what is currently likely a broken fragile mindset is not a good game plan, imo.
If we're often going to be in pots deep with this guy, we'll want to be in position as much as possible. Is that going to happen enough in our current seat location? If not, seat change a
Never open limp FFS.
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"Highly Optimistic" is the most polite phrase I can use for shoving here.
Tough decision between call and fold.
I doubt this is ever a bluff, the only question is, is he over-valuing 2p, and I'm not sure he does that enough to justify a call. I think it's a fold, but tbh, I doubt I ever find it in game.
I'm not 4betting a tilting player pre unless I was confident that I was ahead of his 5bet jamming range when he jams and I already decided in my mind to call, but that's just me. Tilting players don't usually fold after they 3bet.
I'm never folding.
If he has JT, he has JT.
Could even be AA (i've seen worse played AA)
I personally very rarely open limp, but "never" is a dangerous word in poker.
In this case I think it's a legit strategy (even if I rarely deploy it). Two data points:
a) GG has his way and its effective for positive EV low variance wins.
b) No less a paring than Skalansky and Malmouth suggest open limping in certain cases in their new book on low stakes live.
IIRC, open limping is even discussed in PNLHE (as a means of manipulating to a desired very large vs very small SPR).
Gyoudon'thaveto,butitisalsoperfectlyfine,youdoyou,imoG
It's just a bad play except for specific situations on the button and SB. No solver will ever do it except in these position. It's especially bad with rake. Yes sklansky says you can do it in his book, and Bart Hanson laughs at how they can give such bad advice, on his podcast. Same if you watch polks poker hands he derides the play constantly, especially people who open limp ak then don't even reraise and just call. Open limping loses fold equity and makes ranges impossible to balance for any human player. Also loses money to the rake. Much better to just open raise and use a sensible size so you can work in bluffs and hands with board coverage. Same in "modern poker theory". He never has you open limping except sometimes in SB and btn. It's neither a good gto play nor a good exploit against bad players
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Feels like we're glossing over the pre-flop action.
Main V who apparently has been owning us flat called our open from IP. The tilted loose passive kid 3B'ing out of the BB is handing us a gift by re-opening the betting. We should be taking advantage of that by 4B'ing pre, to drive main V behind us out of the pot, so we can get it heads-up with the tilted V and have position post-flop.
I especially want to 4B when the 3B is basically a min-click. I mean...WTF is that? If we flat call, the main V is NEVER folding behind us. I'd be 4B'ing to $100, and asking the Indian kid for his address so I can send him a thank you card the next day.
As for the flop and turn - both are kind of whatever. I think I prefer to raise turn, even if it's just a min-click, but I guess flatting isn't terrible.
Just don't see much point in betting river, the way this was played, against a V like this. He's never calling a bet with worse, will always raise us with better, and will almost never try to bluff us. I'm 100% folding when he min-raises the river.
As for open-limping from MP with KQo - with this V behind me, I like it more than I usually would. No point in playing a lot of big pots against a guy who's always flatting our raises IP. Just limp in and try to cooler him, but make sure you go for max value by betting big when you have the best hand. Do not let this guy catch up.
What hands call?
(Edit...sorry I presume this is a bluff)
(Edit 2: nah, it's button clicking)
K9, K8, 98, heck even AK, no one has shown any strength in this hand except the guy who noped out. I mean, if we are saying JT can slowplay when a flush draw hits the turn, then we have to put all 2 pairs out there.
Y'all's games must play very different to mine if this is always JT, lol, sorry bout that.
thx everyone
Result:
Spoiler
I call. He had JTo. Indian V said he had diamonds.
