3 Marginal spots
1/3 biggest game in room, usually has some good players in game.
1. 8 handed, Button straddles, fold to me(650) in middle position raise 8♥7♥ to 25, cutoff calls(1500), bad fun rec(500) raises to 50, Button calls(500), I call, cutoff calls,
Pot $200, 4 to flop
Board Q♥5♥2♣
X, X, pre-flop raiser bets $125(bad fun rec $325 left), button folds...What do we think about me jamming about $600 here into cutoff, who has previously checked, and the bettor?
2. 5 handed, SB is playing 80% of hands and is not good.
folds to me on cutoff, I(700) make it $20 with K♠10♣ to target SB, button(1000, tight seems to be decent player) makes it 65, folds to me, I call.
Pot $130
Flop 6♥8♥9♠ I check, he bets $15, I raise to 100, he calls.
Turn 3♦ I bet $135, he calls.
River K♣ I check, he puts me all in for about $400. call/fold???
Quick summary of my thoughts, I think his 3 bet range is a lot of suited aces, big pairs, some smaller pairs, suited face cards and some non suited connected face cards. I think this range I can
get to fold by river on this flop. I'm not sure what to make of $15 flop bet. I bet the flop and turn setting up a river jam. I think by the river he has a lot of straight draws that miss and some
flush draws. I also think my range is a bit stronger on this flop as the preflop bettor and then caller of 3 bet.
I think overpairs and sets would of shown strength at some pt. do you agree? K on river is interesting card. I decide to check since those draws I was targeting for river bluff jam now need to
bluff. Also hands I'd like value from like JJ and 1010 I think will fold to a bet now. Thoughts?
3. Villain- I've just played with for 30 minutes, has shown can make big bluffs and has gone for thin value, seems good.
Villain(2000) raises to $15 in middle position, folds to me(900) in SB with A♣Q♠ I raise to $65, he 4 bets to 165, I call.
Pot $330
Flop K♦8♦3♦ I check, villain bets $75, I call.
Turn Q♣ I check, villain checks. This surprises me, I think all hands that have me beat AK, KK, AA, QQ all bet here, I would think those hands should be looking to play for stacks, checking
here makes the river size more awkward for villain. Is this correct, as villain do you continue here with strongest hands?
River 5♣ I check, Villain bets $275 what do you do?
Thank you for all input.
7 Replies
1. Jamming in hand one is good as long as he folds sometimes
2. Good open but calling a 3b with KTo is a punt. Straight up. As played river is a call in theory but would def fold vs some players
3. Calling a 4b with AQo is a punt. Calling flop is a bigger punt. Fold river. V has AK or AA basically always
i think one would be a pretty bad jam lol. i guess id just fold the flop readless, could call if co folds out of turn. would need more information beyond what is provided to make me think jamming is a good play
second looks like a bad defend pre, think flop and turn are not good, would call river i guess
third looks bad pre given positions and otf. river idk man.
would worry less about late street heroics and more about fundamentals in all of these hands if u r asking
Hand 1 I don't see many value hands that would would jam here, so it's kind of transparent what you have. I'm gonna guess he has a queen or overpair that he's not folding. Given no reads, I would fold.
I have no idea what is going on in Hand 2 and 3. Why are we playing KTo out of position vs a good player? Why are we going ham on the flop with this hand?Why are we playing AQo in a 4bet pot and floating on king high monotone with no suit? It's good to be aggressive, but there has to be some logic behind the plays.
1. Fold pre, fold flop
2. Fold to reraise pre, Snap call
3. Fold to 4 bet, fold on flop, fold on river
HH#1:
Preflop I would just fold the first time OOP and think limping (to keep the SPR high) is better than opening. Even calling the minraise is meh as the SPR is sucky small (not what we want), we're multiway (we have RIO issues) and OOP.
Jamming seems horrible to me. We should have very little FE against a preflop 3better who is continuing large into the world with relatively little behind. If we have no FE against him (and thus need to make our hand) we'd actually prefer the CO overcall behind us to pad the pot (other than when he has a dominating draw). But for this poor price, small stacks behind, and the possibility of CO sandbagging, it's probably just a fold.
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HH#2:
I probably open a lot smaller. And then make a trivial fold OOP to a tight large 3bet by a competent player with a pretty junky hand.
I understand what we're attempting on this flop/turn. Could work against tighter players.
Weird river spot. Totally get our check. And I think I would consider looking him up here as all the draws busted and you'd think we'd have heard from monsters on this drawy board; really does look like something like AQhh. But I suck / am uncomfortable with deepstack, not sure I could pull the call trigger for so much, and likely never get into this spot.
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HH#3:
And again in a big bloated pot OOP to someone we consider a decent player. Is this how you make your money at LLSNL? Cuz it ain't how I make mine. I find lots of preflop folds in this config and move on to the next hand where I'll have the Button. If we must continue, I actually think flatting the initial raise to bring along BB might be best (although I'm sure I'll be outvoted on that one).
Quite the speculative OOP float on this flop.
And another weird river spot.
My guess is that you made some hero calls and owned your opponents for gobs, but just looks like a bunch of epeening to me. But I'm also a giant nit.
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