Two hands with young V

I fold both thinkng he got two pair or better

Loose passive making two big turn raises? Fold both times unless you've seen him bluff with this sort of line.

What I don't understand is what is a button clicking loose passive?

The two hands aren't independent of each other; if you called down the first hand and he showed a flopped set that should influence your thinking on the next hand, assuming it didn't take place 5 minutes later. I note both check-raises are pretty small.

H1 the flop call is marginal multiway but probably OK, turn bet is good but you have a backdoor nut flush draw blocker so I'd be inclined to think this is value unless your button clicking read is very strong.

H2 what do people think of the flop play?

I don't think you need to call flop first hand as you have loads better hands to call including sets, bdfd, over pairs etc. we can't win every hand. Once we get there idk I guess call otherwise why are we here? Can bluff spades at least with the ace!

Second hand flop bet a bit large but it's a flop that hits people so I think fine. Turn is tricky. Can he have a pair plus diamonds? If he only calls the flop bet with 2p etc then you can fold. I think you could also check turn here in position with the Ad

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I am more inclined to call on hand one, because both v's line and his raise sizing seem suspect to me. i.e. this seems more like a raise to find out where's he's at rather than a nutty hand. But who knows, maybe he's trying to milk you.

Hand 2 is more of a clear fold to me. Notice that the raise size is slightly bigger and also more proper.

What I mean by button clicking? Umm he's probably a break even player. He knows that he can check-raise draws. He understands odds and he's used the word "blockers" before but from his talk I get that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. Preflop he calls too much and plays too many hands. VPIP/PFR/3-bet around 30/10/1. He seems to me to be on winners tilt a bit, raising and stuff, straddling every chance he gets and he's getting some confidence at the game but he never really wins. I've never seen him up on a big stack. I don't know how else to describe it. "A fish that's a little bit dangerous" would be a good description. Postflop he cannot fold a set or 2-pair really, even on dangerous boards. I don't know what the donk bet means in the one hand.

H1:

I'm fine with preflop.

Flop call is ambitious, imo.

I would mostly check back the turn. It's going to be very difficult to get two more streets from a lone pear (who are drawing very slim). Board isn't very drawy (especially since we block a lot of flush draws). Also don't want to be put in a stoopid spot against someone who overvalues, although I would still fold to the check/raise.

H2:

I'm cool with preflop.

I might bet slightly smaller on the flop but whatever.

In general, I have a plan by the turn and I simply stick with it. Against most ABC face-up non-overvaluey players, a bet/fold is fine. But I pretty much never put myself in a bet/call spot with just one pear as the pot is simply getting too large for my hand. So if I can't comfortably fold to a check/raise, I check back to only have one more street of betting go in / make sure I get to showdown to stake my claim to this pot.

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H1 fold both times
H2 fold vs a passive player, it's most likely not just a king, and not only because of the BWT.

We need to work on our reads. This guy may be loose, but he doesn't sound passive. He actually sounds pretty aggro.

In both hands, what do we think he's repping on the turn? Notice in both hands, the turn adds a BDFD.

Is this a flopped 2P+ making a delayed check raise because the flop was pretty dry? Or is this an over-played flush draw? No obvious combos improve on either turn.

Holding the ace of the flush suit in our hand would seem like it should mean something one way or the other in both pots. I think it makes us want to call, in both spots. Our hand might be best, and probably is, but we can rep the nuts if need be on flush run-outs.

H1, I kinda want to raise his flop donk, because eff them donk bets. Definitely not folding to that wack 2.5 x/r sizing.

H2, I think we want to give him enough rope to hang himself, so just call turn and be prepared to play some poker on the river.

First hand is a mandatory call, I think he can even be doing this with worse Queens and he has lots of draws, sometimes you are beat by sets and random 2 pairs.

Hand two I might check this turn, as played I fold.

It's worth discussing H's range in both hands. In H1, we have less a range and nut advantage than we do in H2, so it's a tougher decision. I still find calls in both hands.

In H1, Hero has all the QQ and more 88. V has more 65s, 76s, wheel draws and other small flush draws and the undersets.
We get 3-1 to call and fade spade and straight draws. I prefer just calling and seeing what V does on river. Pot will be 300 and we will get a good price on river to bluff catch.
V cannot have NFD, H can and V knows this. V has made a mistake raising here because we have turned the range and nut advantage. Just call him.

H2: Hero has all the KK/JJ here. So V's turn raises are a very thin range - 66, Td9d, QdTd, KdQd, KdJd and KJo.
Holding the Ad and blocking the QdTd straight draw, I'm okay with calling here also, again getting 3-1. This is a good price and we have redraws when behind KJ.

So incompetent that you have to make posts about his hands? I don't think his competence is the issue. No offense, but are you sure of yours?

Banana, I hope you'll take this in the spirit it's intended, because I'm sincerely hopeful that it helps...

Regarding your reads - this one observation by itself may not be enough to label a player one way or the other. But, if V was the PFR, and action checked to him on the flop, I think c-betting this board with his entire range is a good play, regardless of what hand he actually had. The ace-high, two-Broadway flop texture is generally pretty good for the PFR to c-bet, I think.

If he was truly loose-passive, I'd expect him to check-back with QJ on this flop, not c-bet. If he c-bet, we can't know if he knew he was bluffing, or if he thought he was value-betting. But either way, that's an aggressive play, not a passive play. We really can't judge tight or loose without knowing his position, and how the pre-flop and flop action went.

I haven't seen enough of your posts to think your reads are great. But I have seen enough to wonder if they may not be all that great. This is an example why. I would suggest you slow down on labeling opponents as being weak based on limited observations, and give more thought to what those observations actually say about opponents.

Why are you opening to $10 at 1/3? Why not $15? Assuming a >$5 rake structure, we should be opening larger, to take more pots down pre, and make the pots bigger if we have to win post. You're giving opponents too good a good price to see the flop.

If we were heads-up in a single-raised pot, I'd like the 1/2 pot c-bet on the flop.

But multi-way, when we mostly miss, we can check back and take a free card, or c-bet smaller, like 1/3 pot. We generally want to take a c-bet sizing that will lead our opponents to raise with their strong hands, and call with their weak hands. This bet sizing is a little too large here, and makes it more likely our opponents only continue with some piece of the flop.

If we check back flop and action checks to us again, I'd take a small bet size on the turn. If we c-bet flop, get called, and action checks to us again on the turn, I'd size up. Here, as played with the slightly larger flop bet, I think we can bet 1/2 pot when we improve to TPTK. We want to get value from worse, but we don't really love getting raised.

When the turn adds the BDFD, and we have the ace of that suit in our hand, I think we can still call V's x/r, and see the river. If V checks to us, we can probably bet thin for value. If V bets, we can probably raise on another spade, or call if he bets on the small side on a brick. If he sizes up and bets huge, we just need to fold.

Here again - open to $15, at least, not $10. While we don't want our bet sizing to become a tell, I think the fact that our opens are getting multiple callers suggests the game is loose or our table image sucks, and we might want to size up to $20.

And again - our flop c-bet size is way too large. You're mostly folding out everything worse than top pair or 8 out draws.

Same turn advice as above - when we c-bet small on the flop and get called, we can size up on the turn. If we sized up on the flop, we should probably size down on the turn. And again, when the turn brings in the BDFD, but we have the ace of that suit in our hand, we can call the opponents x/r, with the same plan for the river - rep the nuts with a raise if he barrels on another flush card, value bet thin if it checks to us, flat call if he bets small, fold if he bets huge.

I really think you're making things harder on yourself by trying to force the action with too many marginal hands (from the other threads you've posted recently), or over-playing value hands, which just leads to your opponents having a much stronger range when they play back at you.

If you're confident in your reads, then these hands become fairly straight-forward folds against an opponent who is truly loose-passive. They become less straight-forward if your opponent is actually aggressive, which appears to be the case here.

Not really knowing if our V is tight or loose leads me to want to call both turns, but mostly because we have TPTK or better, with the implied scare equity of a flush run-out.

But, honestly, if we just checked back the flop (H1) or c-bet small (H2), these turn decisions become much easier, because V is effectively capping his range to TP or worse when he flat calls a small c-bet, or checks to us twice. By c-betting big, we're forcing V to continue with a stronger range, and a lot of that range is going to want to protect against the BD draws that appear on the turn.

H1 I just fold the flop donk. He's donking into two people from the SB we are so likely to be drawing dead or he has one pair and puts us on AKQ and being able to bluff the K isn't enough reason to call when he'll fold when we hit.
As played on turn it looks like he knows you have top pair or better and wants to put money in, there's some chance he thinks you have AK and are bluffing top pair ... but eh.

H2 25 seems a bit much, I might go 20 with AKs but with AA block two BDNFD I might even go 15.
Turn I bet less, as we block the BDNFD and he called a big flop bet. The raise kind of sucks, but he's still got a few diamond draw hands and he might be overplaying KQ or something. I would be very likely to call here if I'd played H1 and folded, otherwise I'd want reads that he's not overvaluing enough or not bluffing because for a bunch of people it's almost always KJ+.

H1 fold flop. Call turn as played, probably gold to a jam on the river. May just check back if he checks river TBH. Maybe hero call smaller river bets.

H2 I always say this but I am betting small or checking multiway on the flop. Again I would call turn and reevaluate river.

Villain is button clicks, so I would assume there is a chance they just overvalue a hand like top pair. If they have two pair, we have outs. Really only cooked vs a set. Between the times we are good and our equity vs two pair, I find a call in both instances, looking to play exploitatively on the river and potentially making some big folds depending on sizing.

Does seem a consistent theme that OP over values his hands and ability. Then he finds a hand like the kq one Vs the check raises where he folded his weak holding ( correctly) but would have won the hand. And that leads to overvaluing more hands in the future.

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Agree with this, we need a better read. Someone who c/r'd the turn twice and isn't afraid to raise/c-bet QJ is more aggressive than op gives credit for.

There are people who don't play the standard tag/2p2 approved ways who are nonetheless solid opponents, as evidenced here, we are put in difficult situations more often than your typical regfish would

I would say your average fish is alternatively motivated by hope and fear. Hope when the pot is small that they'll flop huge, fear that their big pocket pair will be cracked, fear that if they check you don't bet... This guy doesn't seem like that type

Result:

These hands were only a few minutes apart so I think the action in Hand 1 affected my line in hand 2 and I decided "F this he has so many draws!"

Ok but am I correct in thinking hand 2 is much closer to a call than hand 1?

I would say it's the other way around. He shouldn't have as many 2P combos in hand 1, but in hand 2, he could have a lot, maybe all of them. Also, if he was donking 8x in hand 1, his hand gets downgraded when we improve to top pair on the turn. In hand 1, we block all the strongest combos, but in hand 2, we block none of them.