TT OOP 3!

Pre: I think I fold to the 3 bet especially oop
Flop: Standard check
Turn: I like the lead picking up the straight draw
River: Somewhat villain dependent, but in a vacuum I think I like the bluff jam. I think most villains fold KK, QQ here, but they could be slow playing a set. Would heavily discount AK, AQ given those would bet flop. Given that there are significantly more combos of KK, QQ, I think I'm good with jam. Again, though, you know villain way better than us.

Agree with this. Preflop might be a fold if you're confident in your read, obviously in a vacuum calling is fine.

Flop and turn are good. Is there a chance he folds KK/QQ on the turn? The turn tank call is most likely the obvious thing - KK/QQ or a weak Ace - you can pull the trigger again here expecting folds often enough to make it profitable. If it goes check-check you win very rarely.

It is very villain-dependent.

Regardless of your opponent's hand, if you jam OTR, you cannot represent an A or a J. I won't fold KK/QQ there to you.

A lot of villains, however, just think about what hands do they lose to, instead of whether those hands would take this line on three streets.

Turn looks like a c/c or c/s, unless your intent was to barrel off, J otr shouldn’t change that objective… to bet 3/4 pot ott and shutdown here seems atrocious

Preflop: The original raise is good. After the raise, fold. A tight/passive player who 3 bets likely has either an overpair or AK, even on the button. It will be hard to outplay him OOP and there's no guarantee you'll get his whole stack if you flop a T.

Flop: As played, good.

Turn: As played, check. His check likely signals either a flopped set or KK/QQ checking with the intention of inducing a bluff.

River: As played, shove and hope he ditches KK or QQ.

Just my opinion...

V can easily have AA, JJ or AJ

According to the OP, V doesn't seem to like the idea of 3! AJo, so perhaps he doesn't like 3! any AJ.

These type of players may not even like 3! JJ either.

V's tank when calling the turn bet may not represent an A, unless he has AK and now thinking whether he should raise.

Anyway, if hero jams the river he's representing trip +. But why would a Jx hand donk the turn into V‘s 3! range? If I was V, it's hard to believe H plays a J this way. Only exception is V having AJ. AJ can indeed play it this way, but I am under the impression that hero's image is ruined during the conversation they were discussing 3-bet AJo pre.

Check river. We beat none of V's value hands. His missed draws are just going to fold if we bet. If he called turn with KK, QQ, or Jx, he's not folding those hands if we jam for a PSB, when the FDFD and BDSD missed. Just check and evaluate. We might call a small bet, which might be a bluff. But fold to a big bet.

Result:

I'm fine with the preflop open but then think we have a trivial fold to a passive player's large 3bet OOP with these stack sizes (only getting ~11:1 IO which we won't always realize).

Also checking (to fold) the flop.

Due to the flop draws it is probably more likely he is checking back a big underpair than TP or a monster, but the latter can't be ruled out. I guess I don't hate a turn bet now that we've picked up equity but I'd probably go on the small side (as betting large to get raised by his monsters and then have to fold would suck).

I mean, with my nitty image I should probably more be the one shoving the river than punty image you. But even with my image I still think it is a little meh, especially if villain's "passive check/call line" in any way equates to tarpy.

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Absolutely not. Getting raised by a monster and folding is fine. Getting raised by a bluff and having to fold would suck.

We might have 10 outs on the turn; being forced to fold that much equity absolutely sucks.

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To the point currently being debated...

It's weird for V to check back the ace-high, two-Broadway flop, after 3B'ing us pre, CO vs BTN. I'd think that board favors his range enough for him to c-bet.

Once V checks back the flop, I think we should bet the turn with our exact hand, on this exact board, but we should probably be betting here with a big chunk of our range that raised-called pre, not just this hand on this board.

I'm honestly unsure what bet size makes the most sense though. Like, are we betting for value and protection, or turning our hand into a bluff? It sort of seems like both if we take a size from 2/3 pot to a PSB.

So, I think we either want to go small, like 1/2 pot or less, for value and protection, OR, we want to go large, by over-betting pot, to turn our hand into a bluff. Doing either makes sense. Trying to do both, not so much.

I suspect V tanked for so long because our line isn't repping much that makes sense. Any 2P or sets we flopped or turned probably aren't betting so big on the turn. QT probably isn't betting so big on the river.

The other sort of obvious problem with the turn bet size is that we're only left with 1 PSB for the river, which probably isn't enough to get V to fold his thick value.

So...I think the better line would be to bet small on the turn, like $50, and fold to a raise, or if V just flat calls, jam this river card.

I think our exact combo has good properties to jam river. We're blocking JhTh and double-block QT. We un-block all the BDFD club combos like AcT, and busted FDFD combos like KhQh, that we still lose to if it goes check-check.

Yea I thought it was THE hand to take this line with vs something like KQ.

I fold pre but that's just me.

A passive player who usually takes a x/call line then all of a sudden 3bets (even Hero said his range is a premium hand) I would very easily and happily fold tens. We're usually smoked like 89% of the time.

As played I would cbet around 55, and if he calls I would be finished with the hand pretty much (rather not use a delayed cbete, since ppl call wider then and it's alil harder to narrow down their range).

You can't cbet, you're not the aggressor préflop.

I still think the bluff jam is fine. You would 90% of the time expect the 3 bettor to c-bet with TP on a board that is somewhat wet like this.

huh? ok sorry. I had raising on my mind since he was the original raiser.